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Yea i didnt want to say that without checking, but i wouldnt be surprised if Epic made them

Max might have a different perspective, but Epic lends out their engine experts (on-top of the service packages you get per/seat you pay for)

and they are there to mostly push you into the entire EU5 pipeline

and it does feel/look modern and complex, which is partially why I think they stick

rather than actually being useful or even practical

are nanite things easier to make? also what does LoD actually stand for

Level of Detail

basically, all 3D games since the dawn of man

when something is in the distance, the game doesn't load the full model

it instead loads a less detailed version, because it's so far away you wouldn't notice

that's what happenes when games sometimes break and you see low poly models randomly

its the LoD not updating

this is a more extreme example

Devs often either make these manually or have an automated piece of software make them. At the end of the day these LoDs are manually set though.

oh ok, i know about the detail-distance stuff i just didnt know that was called LoD

Nanite says screw manually making these or manually tweaking view distance for them, I'll give you automatically adjusting LoD that scales the actual triangles depending how close you are

and they don't talk about any of its issues

this is literally just not true

so it's an issue of devs over-using it

That and Nanites actually FPS gain is deceptive

Nanite itself is a MASSIVE fps tax

having high poly objects is another fps tax

nanite reduces the fps tax of high poly objects

I am sure it is a good tool, but if you are using a wrench when you need a hammer because you can't be bothered to reach over to get it your game is going to turn out like shit

but you're still tanking the nanite tax

also it's proven that it just doesn't work with trees

there's a reason fortnite trees are the way they are

lol

Is nanite the thing they were showing when they did the big E3 unreal 5 press conference

because we kept making fun of how much they were talking about how amazing the trees are

maybe idk

its the first ever thing they basically advertised UE5 with

every one of the UE5 tech demo showcase things has turned out to be a scam

their lighting was the worst offender

with the little mini-suns in that cave

this one

yeah they use nanite there

Its incredibly computationally expensive as its a software side solution to something normally heavily done hardware side. It achieves something impossible with current methods TO BE FAIR

It is something that is very incredible and powerful

but nanite itself is a big enough tax that makes stuff unplayable.

even if it cancels out the costt of high poly

how do you know so much about all this?

because i like knowing why games are actually laggy and not just screaming "DEVS NEED TO OPTIMIZE MOAARRRR"

this is the Cryengine one I remember

of them scanning rocks

this photogrammetry has thankfully mostly died out

because it was such a meme

i think part of th eissue is

they dont outright say that half of UE5s features are meant for making movies or cutscenes

and shouldnt be used in actual gameplay

lol the cave demo was the first thing i thought of when max brought up nanites, though i think the one i was thinking of was a shadows demo

The fact Epic has been trying to push (successfully) for UE5 to become the foundation for a lot of movie and youtube production

is still insane to me

and then you have bethesda reusing the same old patchwork engine for 20+ years

theres nothing wrong with reusing the same engine

id prefer companies use their own engine even if its the bethesda one

its that they dont try to change it and they make retarded mistakes like

having starfield be based off of fo4s engine

and not the improved fo76 engine

for some reason

becuase they forked it early in dev

projecting anger here, but when they do try changing it like 343 did with the Slipspace engine overhaul from Blam. They fuck it up, with rental pajeets, and it becomes shit

theres actually very little wrong with bethesdas engine

its just that they are shit at adding new things

like i think people would hate it if tes6 had havocs physics instead of bethesda physics

because bethesdas physics have a charm to them

I think the parts of the bethesda engine everyone likes and associates with something being a "bethesda games" would be possible to recreate in another in-house engine, but the more we've talked about this, the more I've realized there really is a short list of things that their engine needs to be able to do that it can't currently

and Starfields definitely a bad game to look at in that regard, since the entire space part of the game is just so completely phone'd in on top of being difficult to make work in their engine

insert Terry Davis quote

You can infact hit them with your car

I can't beleive the final mission in Silksong is to kill the Jews

"Extinguish its prime source" no, the final mission is killing YHVH, and you work WITH the Jews to do it

I could get higher on juggle, once I figured out the trick