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Yeah, those would be the moba inspired aspects then

Yea, and I think thats a core part of defining a hero shooter.

So partly one would have to say its a volume thing though

The fact that in the hero shooters things like that reach a point where it becomes a core aspect

Eh, idk if its a volume thing. I think those necessary aspects of a hero shooter yea.

I mean, are there "hero shooters" without those things?

Ive never played Rainbow 6 siege, does that game have ultimates?

No but tf2 has those things

Just not for all classes to a great extent

I think those are so few theyre exceptions

3/9 classes have extra abilities

Yeah so at that point it'd be a volime thing

Uber, Disguise, and Airblast

Yea but they don't reallt have passives, and the resources required to attain them are different. I just think its too big of a gap to say its a hero shooter. The ideas are somewhere in there, I understand its jusy a very low volume. Its just too low.

Because I dont think theres another example to be given that doesnt have the 3 other things I said.

Idk, I still think if a tf2 reskin featuting the justice league came out today it'd be called a hero shooter. Though that's if course a hypothetical scenario and we couldn't know until it'd happened. But I think I can see your point of view and somewhat respect your opinion

I dont think a product like TF2 as it is could come out mechanically the same. It would have to be more akin to Marvel Rivals/OW/Apex etc. I can understand labeling it hero shooter though, its just easier to assign it as such. Honestly labels like that/genres in general are pretty messy when not talking in broad strokes.

A 9 class Justice League game with loadouts would be refreshing, but that means they couldn't release a backlog of 900 characters with skins without ruining visual clarity/cohesion

When an unstoppable force meets an immovable object

This is such a trip, these are exactly like his old con videos from 12 years ago

we've entered a time loop

Fire could have played blackjack with Rob

I love this picture

Who are these people he's hanging out with?

And am I mean for thinking they look like they'd be in a polycule with an unattractive woman.

The elevator pic is Dani, Momo, and Robs onlyfans girl. I forget if its the British one still.

I know it's not what you were pointing out, but I kind of feel bad for people with that attitude. Dude is super young and wants to retire and... ?

If I could just casually do math and fuck around forever, I'd do it. I think wanting to work is cringe

But if you want to retire and don't even know what the fuck you want to do, thats weird

It's complex, because I think people should want to set and pursue their own goals in life, which are very rarely ever going to be financially compensated like working a 9-5 is

Again, retire and do what?

Sit around all day?

I think you can live a satisfying life without having to work a 9-5 job

It's not about being some wage slave, it's about having something to do. People die real quick after they retire a lot more often than you might think.

I think people who only have ever known working the majority of their lives do have trouble adapting to being free to pursue their own interests

Like when someone old has a spouse die and they just fall apart all of a sudden.

I think you have to have some fun hobbies and the willingness to find stuff if you're gonna retire super young.

I also think there are people who lack the ambition to do anything other than passively consume media slop

I actively consume my media slop

I just can't square the mindset of, your life needing structure set by a boss in order to be happy/fulfilled

I engage in intellectual discussions on my slop, making it active consumption! KappaRosss

I mean if you can fill 40-60 hours a week for 20-30 years, go ahead and retire in your 30s like Pyro wants to.

I think most people would get bored a decade in.

Yeah, I don't understand people like that

I have weeks where I have nothing to do and I've never once felt bored

Source: I didn't work from 20-25 because I was young, dumb, and had some money.

what do you mean "fill", idk why people should need to be babysat by an employer on the offchance they might get bored

That was enough for online hobby stuff to not be enough anymore

I think if you have any level of active imagination, you are just defacto fine

I do benefit from having a schedule but I would rather set that myself then my boss setting one for me

I benifit from having deadlines in the way that I am good at knowing how long things take me to do so I make sure I start so I finish by the deadline, other than that, I don't really need them

Being bored and life being pointless aren't the same thing.

see, that I can agree with more

My job is boring, it still scratches that "something worth doing" itch enough I don't go find another one.

from the vantage of thinking people should be productive in life

I don't fully agree, but I can understand it

Maybe someday I'll feel different, but man I won't go back to just living off investments again.

I think Spooky for sure and me to a lesser extent have a hard time agreeing because both of us for sure have the thought "I do not have enough time in the day to do all the things I want to do"

^

If I had more free time, I already know what thing I would fill it with, and I don't even work, its just PhD studies

If I didn't have to work, I wouldn't. The only thing I would feel bad about is fucking over some people I like at my job by leaving.

That's fair. I just have the position most people can't just have no obligations without eventually becoming a couch potat.

Work is an easy "something to do"

I think there is a subset of humaity (probably 40-60%) who legitimately need to have thier lives structured for them or they cannot function

I also think there's peace to be found in accepting that your life is small, that you don't have to make contributions on which the world turns A lot of people rush to whatever the biggest city they can, and work their way up come cooperate ladder trying to attain importance or influence

But there is so much to do that isn't work

and define their life by whether they are able to have a lasting impact or reach some threshold by which they've "made it"

I think the problem with this discussion is I think for the most part most of the people in this server are not good examples of "the average person" in the sense that we are all fucking weird and strange in different ways

There are 2080 hours of work in a year, if you work 40 hours a week. Can you list fill 60K hours?

yes

Easily

Yes

If you expanded time somehow to quadruple that, I could still fill that

I could perhaps fill infinite time, although that might be harder

I agree that some of us might be able to, but the Everyman probably can't.

yeah I agree