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Replying to PirateMan64 #zytohn
If there is a distinction between a "hero shooter" and "class based arena shooter" it'd have to be a lore-based one imo. Am curious to see what polar will claim that his argument hinges on though
Hi, my argument hinges on the fact that hero shooters are as inspired by MOBAs as they are class based shooters ig. I don't think Lore really has any place in determining if its a hero shooter. All these games came out post-LoL/Dota boom and 10 years after TF2. All these games have passive abilities, Cool down based spells/abilities, and ultimates. They also all have large rosters to suit different styles of play and are 1 character of X per team (like a moba). TF2 is more modular in what a class does, less competitive, and simply doesnt have any of those aspects. I think retroactively calling it a hero shooter is kinda disingenuous, but i can see how youd come to that conclusion since people see it as the basis of future hero shooters. I realistically just think it was the most similar thing that existed in the market previously.
Polar_ rawb
I think its the moba adjacent aspects that are the defining feature. Games like Apex dont have 5CP, KoTH, Payload, etc. Though its still a hero shooter.
PirateMan64 rawb
Replying to Polar_ #polar_
Hi, my argument hinges on the fact that hero shooters are as inspired by MOBAs as they are class based shooters ig. I don't think Lore really has any place in determining if its a hero shooter. All these games came out post-LoL/Dota boom and 10 years after TF2. All these games have passive abilities, Cool down based spells/abilities, and ultimates. They also all have large rosters to suit different styles of play and are 1 character of X per team (like a moba). TF2 is more modular in what a class does, less competitive, and simply doesnt have any of those aspects. I think retroactively calling it a hero shooter is kinda disingenuous, but i can see how youd come to that conclusion since people see it as the basis of future hero shooters. I realistically just think it was the most similar thing that existed in the market previously. (edited)
So you'd say it has a lot to do with the lineage essentially?
Polar_ rawb
I think themes seen in one is in the other, but that doesnt make the previous thing the current thing. I think TF2 is just too different.
PirateMan64 rawb
Even though tf2 has class abilites that are mechanically pretty much the same as the hero abilities, it's the labelling of them as ultimates, the cooldowns, and everything like that which they have taken from mobas that make them hero shooters
Polar_ rawb
Well ultimates are big bombastic abilities. I think the closest argument you could make is like an Uber. Again thats just kind of roughly relating things to each other.
Polar_ rawb
Tf2 also having things like abilities doesnt mean its a hero shooter, it just means some classes have abilities. Its the lack of passives/cooldowns/ultimate moves that build up and swing momentum that differ them.
Polar_ rawb
Yea but they don't reallt have passives, and the resources required to attain them are different. I just think its too big of a gap to say its a hero shooter. The ideas are somewhere in there, I understand its jusy a very low volume. Its just too low.
PirateMan64 rawb
Idk, I still think if a tf2 reskin featuting the justice league came out today it'd be called a hero shooter. Though that's if course a hypothetical scenario and we couldn't know until it'd happened. But I think I can see your point of view and somewhat respect your opinion
Polar_ rawb
I dont think a product like TF2 as it is could come out mechanically the same. It would have to be more akin to Marvel Rivals/OW/Apex etc. I can understand labeling it hero shooter though, its just easier to assign it as such. Honestly labels like that/genres in general are pretty messy when not talking in broad strokes.
Polar_ rawb
A 9 class Justice League game with loadouts would be refreshing, but that means they couldn't release a backlog of 900 characters with skins without ruining visual clarity/cohesion
mtcdood rawb
I know it's not what you were pointing out, but I kind of feel bad for people with that attitude. Dude is super young and wants to retire and... ?
Spooky Phijkchu rawb
It's complex, because I think people should want to set and pursue their own goals in life, which are very rarely ever going to be financially compensated like working a 9-5 is
mtcdood rawb
It's not about being some wage slave, it's about having something to do. People die real quick after they retire a lot more often than you might think.
Phijkchu_Pikachu rawb
I benifit from having deadlines in the way that I am good at knowing how long things take me to do so I make sure I start so I finish by the deadline, other than that, I don't really need them
mtcdood rawb
Replying to Spooky Phijkchu #spooky.131
what do you mean "fill", idk why people should need to be babysat by an employer on the offchance they might get bored
Being bored and life being pointless aren't the same thing.
Phijkchu_Pikachu rawb
I think Spooky for sure and me to a lesser extent have a hard time agreeing because both of us for sure have the thought "I do not have enough time in the day to do all the things I want to do"
polu rawb
If I didn't have to work, I wouldn't. The only thing I would feel bad about is fucking over some people I like at my job by leaving.
Spooky Phijkchu rawb
I also think there's peace to be found in accepting that your life is small, that you don't have to make contributions on which the world turns A lot of people rush to whatever the biggest city they can, and work their way up come cooperate ladder trying to attain importance or influence
Phijkchu_Pikachu rawb
I think the problem with this discussion is I think for the most part most of the people in this server are not good examples of "the average person" in the sense that we are all fucking weird and strange in different ways
mtcdood rawb
Replying to polu #polutropos
But there is so much to do that isn't work
There are 2080 hours of work in a year, if you work 40 hours a week. Can you list fill 60K hours?

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