politics

Are you also from the Toledo area?

Yea

No fucking shit

My mom works at a TPS school so she tells me all the dirt lol

I live about 45 mins west of Toledo

I live like probably 10-15 minutes west of downtown Toledo via express way.

Your like country area

Yea

The 45mins is to get to holland

Oof

At least that area is somewhat decent

I like it

I think when I posted a picture of a sign in Ann Arbor here a few other people were local too just in Michigan.

To say my point to spooky, if these students become delinquents we really say they get the axe? I think 90% of your bottom tier people come from situations like these.

They are not delinquent or too stupid but a product of a school system that at one point abused them, on top of whatever life situation they have going on.

I care a lot about education, and I mean this with no hyperbole I don't care about the sad backstory of why they can't function in a standard public school special needs is the obvious one, they need their own system and resources, and trying to integrate them is a waste of everyone's time. They are not going to be "literally killed" but they don't belong in real school. There are planty of high-funcitoners who do just fine, this is not a one-drop policy or anything The "dumb" kids are almost always in the middle block, and will reach a performant level if they are supported in school and at home. There would not be quotas, relegation, or any sort of danger of failing out of the system. (held back sure, but not washing out) It's the population of kids who are unable to participate in the education process, being "disruptive" is a bad catch-all term, but if you are impeding the ability of the teacher to teach or of other students to learn, then you should be removed. And it's not a one strike policy or anything, you'd expect that with help from different teachers, school councilors, your parents, resource officers, etc. you should be able to participate in school just fine. But at a certain point, yeah they should just be cut. tons of different ways to handle it at that point, but yes I would effectively write them off, and I'm ok with that. Education matters so fucking much, and I resent to completely that we stymie people who want or are able to learn to virtue signal that no child is being left behind

and yes, teacher unions are a shitshow

the quality of available curriculums has been nosediving

there are tons of developmental setbacks (covid or otherwise) that are stunting people

and dozens of other critical problems

but I think a huge part of the problem is that our systems are so accommodating, rather than sticking to their own set of standards/expecations

The sad backstory of someone who cannot function in school is half the problem when people say, “I don’t care,” which is perpetuating the behavior and then they fail. My mom so far in her career singlehanded helped 100+ “delinquents,” who were teenagers still in school not set to graduate to 20-30+ years old get their diploma. Those 100+ people all have some sad backstory and it took one person in the school system to listen but then also enforced a standard. Probably just as many didn’t get their diploma when she worked with them because if they didn’t show to do the work she didn’t help them. With your high standard and importance on education why is it that it takes one person for one school to take extra time and then these people graduate. It’s the failure of teachers constantly in a students life cycle through the system. Then when the teacher fails it takes the administration 10x more work to try and come to a resolution where the teacher isn’t going to listen and can’t be held to a standard themselves. The actual disruption and cases where there is genuine evil from a student should be cut but those cases are ones that already get handled, but state and federal law force some school to take them until a certain point as every kid has the Right to an education. The system being accommodating is something that is enforced from federal law. And school districts want it for the federal funding.

A comedy series about a somewhat normal kid who accidently got assigned to retard school.

I can agree to the very few cases but realize they are a minority and the general stupidity you see in schools is no different from when you were in school and said ,” I am just using my resources available to me,”

The teachers have become lazy so the students become lazy.

Parents are lazy so their kids are lazy

I’ve heard multiple cases where parents actual told their kid they are going to live off welfare and that will be their living

sometimes for certain special needs students it is more detrimental to them to put them outside of the gen pop of a school classroom. Just like some need that special classroom for teaching but then you have have 100 buildings dedicated to one disability and would waste more resources and bigger strain. How many kids did you know that actively antagonized someone they knew with a disability to set them off in school? I can name a few from my school years, and know every class has those people who make it worse for those kids and makes them get more estranged.

I'm not sure we really disagree, I've observed the same thing on all accounts

I just fundamentally do not care to give everyone an "equal shot" and don't think federal/state laws should in any way protect that false virtue

because an equal shot in education is not just sitting them in a seat and telling them to learn

it's providing the necessary resources for them to succeede, across years

Spooky, what about people who cannot sit

then they cannot have an equal shot

The founding fathers knew some people were slow and still make it a right that they have an equal shot to have an education

and when the systems start to buckle, and hold back the top 85%, dragging down the middle most of all

yes, cut the bottom

yep, they were called slaves

if we want to enlist the bottom 15% into chattel slavery, that's a little more radical than I was thinking

but I'd be down

Some Non-slaves were less educated than some slaves it all depended on the individual who oversaw them and or guided them

yes, tons of slaves were fairly educated

not formally educated

Tons of Americans were educated and not formally educated

it turns out, you don't need a formal education to do manual labor (or even a lot of skilled labor)

no shit

public education wasn't a thing until the 1900s

And that was made to stop the growing illiteracy and uneducated population of America across all walks of life

The children and fathers working in the industrial factories we just needed to write off if they had a school?

if they were disruptive and dragged everyone else down

yes

1000%

they don't get to be retarded and ruin things for everyone else

I'm not saying to cull dumb people

I'm saying to cull problem children when multiple attempts have been made to fix them

I don't know a single teacher who couldn't pick the worthless children in their class out of a lineup

same with the gifted ones

it's TRIVIAL to tell

Yes the worthless to them they can pick out. From someone outside they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference

put them all together in their own parallel structure

and hey, if 1 in 1,000 manage to make something of themselves, great

we don't literally need to kill them

even if I'd be in favor of it

You said to have a pre-prison system for them

yes

that's the pre-prison system

You are setting people up to fail

is the alternative pretending to be surprised when they do fail?

no really

what value is there in playing pretend

that "everyone can make it"

When you can dictate who makes someone a delinquent or someone retarded then you are just the same problem in the school system in a different mask

again, we don't have to literally kill them

if they are enabled to fuck off for 18 years in school, but clean themselves up and want to greet people at Walmart

go ahead

but don't kid yourself, most won't

I think fundementally, there is just a percentage of people who are going to be failures. I think having some straight to the farm below minimum wage job pipeline set up for them will make things easier for them and us

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