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I just fundamentally do not care to give everyone an "equal shot" and don't think federal/state laws should in any way protect that false virtue

because an equal shot in education is not just sitting them in a seat and telling them to learn

it's providing the necessary resources for them to succeede, across years

Spooky, what about people who cannot sit

then they cannot have an equal shot

The founding fathers knew some people were slow and still make it a right that they have an equal shot to have an education

and when the systems start to buckle, and hold back the top 85%, dragging down the middle most of all

yes, cut the bottom

yep, they were called slaves

They only drag down the others if they let them

if we want to enlist the bottom 15% into chattel slavery, that's a little more radical than I was thinking

but I'd be down

Some Non-slaves were less educated than some slaves it all depended on the individual who oversaw them and or guided them

yes, tons of slaves were fairly educated

not formally educated

Tons of Americans were educated and not formally educated

it turns out, you don't need a formal education to do manual labor (or even a lot of skilled labor)

no shit

public education wasn't a thing until the 1900s

And that was made to stop the growing illiteracy and uneducated population of America across all walks of life

The children and fathers working in the industrial factories we just needed to write off if they had a school?

if they were disruptive and dragged everyone else down

yes

1000%

they don't get to be retarded and ruin things for everyone else

I'm not saying to cull dumb people

I'm saying to cull problem children when multiple attempts have been made to fix them

I don't know a single teacher who couldn't pick the worthless children in their class out of a lineup

same with the gifted ones

it's TRIVIAL to tell

Yes the worthless to them they can pick out. From someone outside they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference

put them all together in their own parallel structure

and hey, if 1 in 1,000 manage to make something of themselves, great

we don't literally need to kill them

even if I'd be in favor of it

You said to have a pre-prison system for them

yes

that's the pre-prison system

You are setting people up to fail

is the alternative pretending to be surprised when they do fail?

what value is there in playing pretend

that "everyone can make it"

When you can dictate who makes someone a delinquent or someone retarded then you are just the same problem in the school system in a different mask

again, we don't have to literally kill them

if they are enabled to fuck off for 18 years in school, but clean themselves up and want to greet people at Walmart

go ahead

but don't kid yourself, most won't

I think fundementally, there is just a percentage of people who are going to be failures. I think having some straight to the farm below minimum wage job pipeline set up for them will make things easier for them and us

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Hell, we can do a 3 tier system

normal school, inbetween, and pipeline to prison

and I think the longer you pretend and commit outsized amounts of resources towards them, the greater a disservice it is to the actual kids trying to learn

See you just said when they are enabled to be fuck ups, who is enabling them

and the in between is where you get kicked down to with a chance to climb back up

and agreed Pika

I want to make it hard to wash out

in between system can and should be just as good education wise as the main system too

its just a "oh shit I fucked up let me fix this" chance

and I don't care how dumb you are, enough effort will get you through in 99% of cases

unless you're genuinely retarded

You are just bringing back a feudal system, only the smart can attend here and we think your not capeable of higher learning so you stay in this section

Its not even smart

its "able to function without fighting and disrupting"

>the fuedal system where 85% of people are in the landed class

un huh

You deny the ability of people to move and challenge themselves to become better

You can be an F tier student in the main school system

Idk about prison school, but I do think there is no point of having genuinely retarded people in the school, even if they are in a special ed class. Especially because the school system will take people who function at a 6 year old level and try to integrate them in to normal classes.

if you get into a lot of disruptive altrications, you get kicked down to the middle school as a warning to wisen up

if you are so far gone the message does not stick

pipeline

if you've ever tried to challenge yourself congrats, you're not in the 15%

I really think it's pretty fucking obvious

who is participating, and who is a nuisance

remove the nuisances

simple

If the people who are as smart as you think they are being stuck in a class with someone who is retarded them sorry that person is not challenging themselves

And they don’t get to cry about someone being disrupt

The retard can be in the class

the retard who is screaming in his seat or playing music or something despite being warned