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An example I guess you can see in the BoS in a way. In fallout 1 you have 4 major characters in the BoS who all represent major parts of the BoS, the Paladin who represents the militaristic side all order and tactics war and etc., the head scribe who represents the intelligence the research of technologies and the creation of new ones. cabbot just an initate who is enthusastic of the world and little knowledge of it partially due to the shelteredness of the BoS but also him being just an initiate, and the elder who draws from all three and that shows the brotherhood is a mixture not a singular archetype. In NV you have Ramos who barely represents anything. You have a paladin who doesnt like the current elder so he angry. The scribes are essentially non-existent NPCs. Most of the good parts are lent to the insanity and depravity of the elders, Veronica is just a dyke and same with Christine except Christine is angwy. The faction is simple as what the wasteland sees them as "A bunch of crazy tech people with issues."

If they all had a resurgence of their old tribal ways it would seem repetitive.

I didnt mean resurgence but hints, or anything to deepen their character archetypes. The Chairmen really suffer from this and Benny doesn't really carry them at all because he feels like his own party. I can write a lot about the different factions and their goals and why they can/do exist, why they turned out the way they did, the people attracted to it, the people they make for fallout 1/2 (not all of them though) For NV it's a lot harder. As you said, and I agree, the NCR does that part well, the rest I think I'd disagree on.

I still think NV does factions great, but they are a lot more simplified and more one note like 3 and 4

A quasi-religious militaristic technocracy

the most unreasonable faction though is still the minutemen

But aren't you getting a few members? I remember there was the excitable teen girl that almost got herself and her partner killed on a mission and Hardin of course

His reason for disliking the elder is the lockdown is stressful so he wants to demote the elder to scribe or iniatete and become elder

Fine, but to say he's "just angry" when his goal is to usurp the brotherhood and return to attacking technological hotspots in the wasteland is really simplifying things

His stated goal is just to regain resources iirc

I think the Followers also

slightly suffer from this

I guess? Weren't they near non-existent in the earlier games?

Essentailly yes but I found them more interesting than the Mojave version

Going back to the BoS, in fallout 1 they were the major player in their region so of course they'd get relatively more development. But when you say they have 4 big characters of interest that sounds about equal to NV

The point is more

their characters help show and develop what the faction is and what it represents

you get a lot less of that in NV

Because everyone except veronica is packed into a bunker

Scribes being nonexistent essentially is proof of that

the four major characters are all in the bunker

well cabbot is at the door

your only interaction with the scribes is ooo smarty pants weird virus minigame

and i think the elder gets demoted to scribe

or its initate i forgot

I vaguely remember that

Also, veronica is called a scribe apparently

But she's not a character because she's lesbo

yeah but she doesnt act like one

thats sorta her char

she doesnt fit anything

suppoused to be girl but is dyke BoS but wants a dress Scribe but asks hardin to learn how to box

her entire character is not being BoS but she still treats them as family

again more was most defnitely planned for all the factions

but time crunch

I think they did just fine with it

I honestly think BoS is fine and I am fine with it but I still think they're done a certain way

They're the reason why I'm iffy with house's ending

The only factions I really want more of are the Great Khans and Powder Gangers. They probably got the most content out of the minor factions but they should of been expanded more.

The powder gangers?

and making the vault 19? powder ganger quest seperate was also a bad idea

They're a bunch of mostly destructive criminals that have a few reluctant members that joined the herd during the jailbreak

They felt pretty disposable

The two big powder ganger questlines are entirely unreleated and you can EASILY miss the vault one

You can also easily miss all of their quests just by doing the tutorial

Yeah, that part is dumb

I wonder how many players know you can get some of them to join the great khans

What makes you think the khans are done better than the rest

They seem very comparable to the brotherhood in that they have a couple notable quests, but are defined by their disastrous history in the mojave

I think its more what you can do with their questline and you atleast can see different faucets

you have the drug running sect you have the brutal initiation and the problems it brings bitter springs and their relations to the NCR causing problems and effects with the leader (similar to BoS) ceasers influence on the tribe and the effects of bringing them in, telling them to suicide at the damn for history, or telling them to inact in a quest similar to Genghis khan and forge their own history

Their drug running sect has multiple influences on the mojave and situations in the mojaev influence it. You can compare its quest to the BoS quest pretty well. Go to 3 locations and collect/do something there. BoS you go to: guy died to centaurs guy got blown up by boomer cannon guy died to robot lessons learned? The elder went against this law thing, also mojave dangerous! Khans you go to: Cottonwood cove to see how one of the drugrunners, in trying to get to the supply of chemless people across the river, got appended to a cross by the legion due to their anti-chem policy A quarry infested with deathclaws, the drugrunner there is the daughter of the owner/manager of the quarry and she's going through a rough phase. The headquarter of the fiends, to deliver drugs to their leader, who informs you on the mutual relationship of them, and the lore of the vault. lessons learned? information on the future relationship and current releationship of the legion and the khans, the initation process (which you could also learn from the incel kid) and how some members are from the mojave commons, and the large relationship and supply of chems to the fiends. which also notes/adds to the harassment of the NCR

The Khans basic quest expands upon them as characters and what their faction does as a faction 10x better than that other basic quest

I left out a few for bos

like the powder ganger one

but the point stands

And you inform McNamara that the NCR isn't nearly as strong as they thought they were

thats the questa fter that

you go to three scouts and they tell you the ncr is getting weaker

but thats introducingyou to various other factions and their relations to the NCR

not the BoS own relations with other factions

Thing is the great khans seemed more or less done for no matter their ending in NV, whereas the choices you make with the brotherhood have huge implications for their future

At best you let the khans live as drug dealers in the mojave, a shell of their former selves

?????????

At best they rule the north

they claim their own legacy after being inspiried y the work of ghengis khan

at worst they suicide into the damn, or are forced into legion

orjust cease to exist all togheter

So them fucking off with the remains of their faction to the north is better development than the BoS shifting away from their strictly traditional lifestyle (which they display to be often arbitrary like with their chain of command rule) towards more open interaction with the NCR?

Until I saw videos on it I didn't even think helping mcnamara was an option, much less siding with the NCR

lol I found that out the hard way

"As per their agreement, the NCR handed over all suits of salvaged power armor and in return the Brotherhood helped patrol I-15 and Highway 95."

That's pretty huge when it comes to the NCR, being notoriously terrible at patrolling their own territory

Are people free for Week 2 of Lego tonight?

I guess I can be

I promise not to sleep through starting on-time this week

though this season is starting out lame and I might stop caring and just take a nap

I have work.

until 11