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Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 6:20 PM general

An event is described as "Guaranteed to happen", and not described as "I Guarantee this event will happen". What does this phrase mean.

The event will happen8 votes · 73%
The event may or may not happen3 votes · 27%
The event will not happen0 votes · 0%

11 votes Poll closed

(Not Spooky) Spark Dragon Jul 3, 2026 6:21 PM general

Which phrase

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 6:21 PM general

"Guaranteed to happen"

(Not Spooky) Spark Dragon Jul 3, 2026 6:22 PM general

Can you use it in a sentence

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 6:23 PM general

Something good is guaranteed to happen tomorrow

(Not Spooky) Spark Dragon Jul 3, 2026 6:23 PM general

This is tuff

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 6:23 PM general

For further context, I am fighting with pirate

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 6:24 PM general

TinyBomby Jul 3, 2026 6:33 PM general

I only answer it in the "may or ma ynot" because I don't trust the word of anyone saying it. People are usually wrong.

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 6:33 PM general

No one is saying it

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 6:33 PM general

This is a nebulous "it is gaurenteed to happen"

TinyBomby Jul 3, 2026 6:34 PM general

but you're saying an event is described to be. This means someone is describing it to me

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 6:34 PM general

Described to be as in, it is the premise in a poll

Polar_ Jul 3, 2026 6:41 PM general

Replying to Phijkchu_Pikachu #klombak

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Because the person isnt themselves guaranteeing that it will happen, I will have to assume a higher power will.

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 6:45 PM general

I think fundamentally the point is that in order to engage with the poll, you must assume the premise that the poll will occur as written

Kribbles Jul 3, 2026 6:46 PM general

If someone tells me in the imperative mood that it's guaranteed, I wouldn't believe it, but if the thing is guaranteed in the indicative mood, then yes.

TinyBomby Jul 3, 2026 6:46 PM general

Like, if we're talking about the definition of the word "guarantee" then yes, I agree that that means something inherently will happen.

TinyBomby Jul 3, 2026 6:47 PM general

oh sorry I kinda just ignored the DM leaks with Pirate. Yeah no, Pika is right.

TinyBomby Jul 3, 2026 6:48 PM general

"guaranteed" and "will" are the same meaning in this context

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 7:01 PM general

Because I can't see the poll

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 7:01 PM general

I vote for the 5th option

TinyBomby Jul 3, 2026 7:01 PM general

confirmed Spooky is unable to scroll?

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 7:02 PM general

No, my mobile client is too old for polls

TinyBomby Jul 3, 2026 7:02 PM general

oh I see that makes more sense

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 7:02 PM general

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Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 7:02 PM general

Anyway, 5th option is the correct one

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 7:02 PM general

Guaranteed

TinyBomby Jul 3, 2026 7:03 PM general

I agree with Spooky actually

TinyBomby Jul 3, 2026 7:03 PM general

I'm changing my vote to the 5th option

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 7:03 PM general

If we are working in mod 4, so that there are 3 options, then that is option 1

Kribbles Jul 3, 2026 7:09 PM general

mod 3 puts it on option 2, I changed to that.

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 7:11 PM general

there is not 0 options, so we have to be at least in mod 4

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 7:11 PM general

for the poll to make sense

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 7:11 PM general

there are 3 options

Kribbles Jul 3, 2026 7:12 PM general

But if he said the 4th option, then pooky would have picked the 0 option

Kribbles Jul 3, 2026 7:12 PM general

how did I miss the S, but also I find that funny

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 7:13 PM general

Pooky would then be saying he is not voting

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 7:13 PM general

which is valid

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 7:13 PM general

but he said 5, which means 1 by the law of wrap arounds

Kribbles Jul 3, 2026 7:14 PM general

Fireworks starting and dog is freakin out

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 7:14 PM general

Spooky literally said you should die in vc yesterday

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 7:14 PM general

he was complaining about people who talk about their dog freaking out at fireworks

Kribbles Jul 3, 2026 7:19 PM general

Alright nice knowing you guys

Dalkor Jul 3, 2026 7:19 PM general

O7

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 8:29 PM general

Replying to Phijkchu_Pikachu #klombak

he was complaining about people who talk about their dog freaking out at fireworks

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Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 8:29 PM general

All dog owners do this

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 8:29 PM general

And yes, we should employ natural selection

SyrenBell Jul 3, 2026 8:30 PM general

media.tenor.com

legorhin Jul 3, 2026 8:50 PM general

Cabo Verde actually almost did it

legorhin Jul 3, 2026 8:50 PM general

I wish the free japanese broadcaster hadn't forgotten to air this one

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:17 PM general

ok I can see the poll now

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:18 PM general

I had this same argument with my 3rd grade teacher

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:18 PM general

when she was trying to teach us about probability

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:18 PM general

nothing is "guaranteed to happen" the person making the statement is asserting something will happen

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:19 PM general

So it may or may not happen

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:20 PM general

so all probabilities should realistically be expressed as a union

TinyBomby Jul 3, 2026 9:20 PM general

but the point that Pika was making is that there's no difference between saying "this is guaranteed to happen" and "This WILL happen"

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:21 PM general

yeah, agreed

TinyBomby Jul 3, 2026 9:21 PM general

speaking of Pika, I passed Pika in the bracket. Huge news, I know.

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:21 PM general

If I tell you I will go get you ice cream, or I guarentee I will go get you ice cream

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:21 PM general

it's the same statement I think

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 9:21 PM general

I am moreso making the point that since we are doing a hypothetical poll, the word guarantee implies will happen

Jaz Jul 3, 2026 9:21 PM general

It definitely doesn't imply it won't happen

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 9:22 PM general

since there is no speaker like in spooky's 3rd grade teacher's case

Jaz Jul 3, 2026 9:22 PM general

Or maybe this conversation is too high iq for me lmao

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:22 PM general

my wording on the ice cream clauses was bad

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:23 PM general

but, I still think a guarentee is based on the speaker

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:23 PM general

if something has been guaranteed, it has to be guaranteed by someone

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 9:23 PM general

if there is a speaker, I agree

Kribbles Jul 3, 2026 9:23 PM general

It is guaranteed that nothing is guaranteed

TinyBomby Jul 3, 2026 9:23 PM general

Replying to Kribbles #kribbles1

It is guaranteed that nothing is guaranteed

I can guarantee that

Jaz Jul 3, 2026 9:23 PM general

Nothing ever guarantees

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:23 PM general

I feel like it has to be possessive, maybe I'm not thinking of a scenario where it isn't

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:24 PM general

my 3rd grade teacher btw, her first example of a probability 1.0 statment was that bees like flowers, and when I told her that's stupid she backtracked to "the sun will rise tomorrow" which I also took issue with

Jaz Jul 3, 2026 9:24 PM general

It was guaranteed to them 100 years ago Uhm actually that doesn't mean it's 100%going to happen

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:24 PM general

and I think I actually had this same argument

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 9:25 PM general

I think the probability teacher failed when she was using the word guarenteed and not proper math termonology

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:25 PM general

that she had no power to guarentee either, which made them not

Phijkchu_Pikachu Jul 3, 2026 9:25 PM general

why did she not hit your 3rd grade class with almost surely

Jaz Jul 3, 2026 9:25 PM general

Likely very likely certain

Spooky Phijkchu Jul 3, 2026 9:25 PM general

it's still crazy to me, looking back, that all K-6 teachers are in their early-mid twenties, or were grannies

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