Replying to Dialga #god_of_time so, brainwashing?
the pitch is brainwashing, but I feel like the feasible concept is "will you let us subject you to mental torture for X days, in exchange for not serving 10 years in prison"
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Tuesday, June 25, 2024
if they made the offer for physical torture, old school brutal torture
I think some people would take them up on it
Dane, I'm 100% on-board with brain fuckery, I expect to get a neuralink at some pointin my life
This is the kind of thing that would not be allowed even if they do figure it out
without prison reform, I agree Pika
which part?
like, obviously I'm not going to consider being lobotomized in exchange for a lighter prison sentence
but mental/physical torture, yeah I'd consider it
depending on my understanding of what it would entail
I would consider other physical augmentations long before a chip in my brain
my brain is who I am, I am not risking that
it would have to be less than a 0.001% risk to even be worth it
yould you expand you brain Pika, if the option was available?
define expand?
like, a N64 expansion module style
they just add extra brain matter
I fundementally view changing how your brain works as killing yourself
I think we've had this convo in voice at some point
but I no longer agree with that premise, I used to
but I now think there is a layer beyond the physical vessel of the brain, and if you pour the 'you' of your brain into a different vessel, (such as by adding extra synapses to your brain" that is still you
Okay, let me clarify. If you can do it in a way where the way you think does not change at all
like, obviously, a lobotomy, brain tumor, etc, removes brain matter
but I don't think it's identity death, I think it a s direct imparment of the 'you'
I do not view that as killing yourself
so, for instance, a perfect digital copy of your brain on a computer is still you
and that if you could fix it by plastering new neurons in, you'd return to being you or a you-equivalent
if any change to your brain is identity death though, I think that's a similar argument to people who say you die every night
I think its hard to define Spooky. I think if you lost brain nurons and became brain damaged, 'you' would be dead. I think if you could replace them, the new brain damaged 'you' would then die and a new, 3rd different 'you' would exist
no Dane, because I think if you want to define a soul, you need to be able to uniquely identify what makes someone 'you'
sequence it like DNA
Spooky, I think fundementally on an instance to instance basis 'you' expeience identity death and are replaced by an almost exact but slightly different 'you', so I think my view on the matter is different from most
until you can sequence a soul, I don't think that's what resides in your brain
the me from a week ago is dead and gone
even if I do think the concept is an interesting interpretation
see Pika, I don't disagree or dismiss that notion, the 'you' who you are dies every second in that case
but that's why I think you have to define 'you' as more than that
Replying to Rusp #rusp. Your brain isn't everything
I would literally sacrifice any part of my body before my brain though, so I think thats the difference
that is true though
literally every aspect of your body does change how your mind works
Replying to Rusp #rusp. Even disregarding soul, the hormonal/chemical environment in your body heavily changes your thoughts and emotions
This is the reason I believe people who take drugs are insane
So Pika, if you accept that the instantaneous 'you' is constantly dying, what is the value in protecting your brain, versus shaping it into how you think best serves future 'you'
Replying to Spooky Phijkchu #spooky.131 So Pika, if you accept that the instantaneous 'you' is constantly dying, what is the value in protecting your brain, versus shaping it into how you think best serves future 'you'
I believe in minimizing the measured distance between instanced changes when possible
I obviously cannot stop changes from occuring, but I will not actively cause large ones unnecessarily
there is no point to life either way
scenario, you get shot in the head by an Indian, you lose 2% brain matter but survive
the most anyone around you notices has changed about you is you now like smooth foods, your self-analysis seems to check out as well, no new defects , etc.
what do you think about the new you
I would fundementally not accept that my self-analysis checking out is accurate. I do not think I can fundementally know the state of my mind and how consistant it was to its pre damaged state
I would just accept that I am a different person and live with it
Replying to Phijkchu_Pikachu #klombak there is no point to life either way
God will always welcome you with open arms 🙏
Replying to Rusp #rusp. God will always welcome you with open arms 🙏 (edited)
I know God is quite welcoming of Pedophiles
so this seems accurate
is that different from how you'd feel if that 2% loss was a major impairment
what if instead you woke up and could only speak French
I take back my "I would preserve my brain" statement in that case
I am doing more damage until I am either not French or dead
can you evaluate the changes I guess is my question, versus the knowledge you had of what prior you is like
and is there value in trying to return to that state, or improve an impaired state in your view
versus just living with it
Replying to Spooky Phijkchu #spooky.131 can you evaluate the changes I guess is my question, versus the knowledge you had of what prior you is like
Regardless of my evaluation, it fundementally cannot be trusted is my point. Even if per my own evaluation I am 100% equivalently the same, I cannot know or trust that analysis to be true.
French speaking is pretty objective imo
brain tumor treatment, they come to you and ask what mm cutoff you're willing to accept surrounding the tumor
close shave 1mm risks cancer coming back 90% of the time
large cut 5mm lowers that risk to 10%