Message in #games · Neon Genesis Phijkchu

taxes Dec 11, 2023 3:07 PM games

Replying to taxes #tzfi

maybe for a fantasy rpg or something much less mechanically indepth, but going into quest design not knowing what features- mechanics- or rules should even exist for something like that is insane

part of starfields issues though is also todds fault, and their mentality of wanting the game to be for everyone and have no inconvineces

taxes Dec 11, 2023 3:07 PM games

planets having enviormental setbacks that make it so you ened to prepare for differnet types of enviroments? "Too annoying to the player and makes it so they can't "play their way""

taxes Dec 11, 2023 3:07 PM games

needing actual fuel for your ship? "getting stranded is annoying, lets just make fuel infinite"

taxes Dec 11, 2023 3:08 PM games

"injuries are too annoying, so lets make them essentially visual only"

taxes Dec 11, 2023 3:08 PM games

these are actual choices they made to simplify the game to make it more applicable for "everyone", turning the mechanical complexity down and down

Rusp Dec 11, 2023 3:20 PM games

She’s been holding this shit in this entire time

Rusp Dec 11, 2023 3:20 PM games

And I understand

Rusp Dec 11, 2023 3:21 PM games

I’m still not over how disappointed I was in starfield

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 11, 2023 9:46 PM games

Speaking of long retrospectives, did you watch Joseph Anderson sucking off Lies of P?

taxes Dec 11, 2023 9:47 PM games

Replying to Spooky Phijkchu #spooky.131

Speaking of long retrospectives, did you watch Joseph Anderson sucking off Lies of P?

So yes/no, I stopped before he got into spoiling it

taxes Dec 11, 2023 9:47 PM games

because I havent played it yet

taxes Dec 11, 2023 9:47 PM games

I plan to play it though

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 11, 2023 9:48 PM games

I was surprised he liked it so much, I liked it, but in the same way I liked Hellpoint

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 11, 2023 9:49 PM games

Yeah, you'll probably like it. I think it's a better directed game than Nioh/Lords of the Fallen

taxes Dec 11, 2023 9:50 PM games

nioh game devs have been falling off hard

taxes Dec 11, 2023 9:50 PM games

wo long was terrible

taxes Dec 11, 2023 9:50 PM games

i dont have faith in their next game either

Jaz Dec 11, 2023 10:59 PM games

If they made the parry window 1-1.5ms longer it would make the game 14% better imo

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 1:34 AM games

I've been watching the Starfield video ~ 2 hours in, I flat-out don't understand this fixation on a missing "design document"

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 1:34 AM games

Not to say I don't agree that pagliarulo is a hack and shouldn't be lead of a narrative/writing dept, but that's its own issue

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 1:37 AM games

The criticism that there was a lack of central pre-planning/outlining for the story and/or game mechanics feels like a face-saving deflection, instead of laying blame at an overall lack of talent

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 1:41 AM games

It's true to say "if they planned the game out better, it would have turned out better", but its such a BIG statement that its kind of pointless

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:24 AM games

Replying to Spooky Phijkchu #spooky.131

I've been watching the Starfield video ~ 2 hours in, I flat-out don't understand this fixation on a missing "design document"

oh 100% he overstates it

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:24 AM games

but I do think it points to a lot of the issues that resounded with me when I played the game

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:25 AM games

The criticism that there was a lack of central pre-planning/outlining for the story and/or game mechanics feels like a face-saving deflection, instead of laying blame at an overall lack of talent

I believe this is true too

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:25 AM games

but bethesda is also understaffed

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:25 AM games

they ahve tons of employees dont get me wrong

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:25 AM games

but for how "big" its supposed to be, its rather small

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:28 AM games

this is something thats also been known about him for years however, from the fallout 4 interview I posted hes always been a hack fuck

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:28 AM games

and I think starfield shows off even more why his directing style is bad

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:28 AM games

and the no design document thing becomes blatently obvious looking from that

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:28 AM games

because next to todd, he's the top dog

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:31 AM games

Yeah, their studio is TINY

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:31 AM games

For the scale of game they want to make

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:31 AM games

Esp given their resources

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:31 AM games

its 500? employees total

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:32 AM games

compared to like the thousands working on games of comparable size

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:32 AM games

Smaller I think, if you don't count QA

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:32 AM games

yes

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:33 AM games

I think it's in the ballpark of 200

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:33 AM games

From some number I saw getting thrown around

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:36 AM games

My main gripes with Starfield were the engine/technical limitations that neutered the game, which exacerbated the bad quests and other flawed systems

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:38 AM games

But, I won't give them the benefit of the doubt that even had they not been limited technically, that they would have designed sound systems

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:38 AM games

no, they still wouldnt of

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:39 AM games

Because A LOT of those are less than half-baked

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:39 AM games

but many issues would be allievated, and many problems would be less pronounced

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:39 AM games

it would be a better game

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:39 AM games

but it wouldnt be good still

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:39 AM games

And that's where I think the criticism of planning, scope management, and talent ring true

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:40 AM games

Because they were not aiming at a point that would have made Starfield a generation defining game

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:40 AM games

Despite.... Probably should of doing that

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:42 AM games

game should of been 20 planets

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:42 AM games

and they should of focused an entire year on making flying ships actually work without 20 loading screens

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:42 AM games

and people would probably call it ag ame of a deade

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:43 AM games

even if itd be mid

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:44 AM games

NMS solved the problem of in-atmosphere flying not trivializing the game, by disabling weapons

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:44 AM games

Idk of a better system

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:44 AM games

But even with that concession, they had to reach NMS launch levels of traversal

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:45 AM games

5 "settled" planets or w/e

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:45 AM games

Maybe 10 notable cities across the sector

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:46 AM games

do our solar system, 3 for UC, 3 for your cowboys, 2-3 for your snake faction and then like 5 free unclaimed random wild ones

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:46 AM games

wow

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:46 AM games

instead its 2.5 for UC+ours, 1.5 for cowboys, 0 for snakes 0 for anything else and theyre all empty

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:47 AM games

I don't like any of the cities they did make either

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:47 AM games

New Texas was probably the best

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:47 AM games

Other than the constellation/museum area of New Atlantis

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:47 AM games

i really really hate the cowboy town and faction

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:47 AM games

its fucking awful

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:47 AM games

you can not convince me in any world, even on the "frontier" of space, that theyd be using stone and wooden walls and all wear leather

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:48 AM games

its ridiculous and not even funny

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:48 AM games

Gotta enjoy the larp

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:48 AM games

if its some joke faction or single town sure

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:48 AM games

but this is literally

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:48 AM games

the only other "society"

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:48 AM games

you have literally just USA but in space

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:48 AM games

and then you have space cowboys

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:48 AM games

with mecha horses

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:48 AM games

I can't take seriously a lot of the lore

Spooky Phijkchu Dec 12, 2023 2:49 AM games

And tbh, the restrictions they had on themselves, I'd love to see written out

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:49 AM games

>well you see the russians believe in a giant snake god that rules everything >then everyone that wanted to be away from america, joined forces with some cowboys and they created mecha technology that no one else had

taxes Dec 12, 2023 2:50 AM games

>btw this is 300 years from where we are rn

Archive details

Neon Genesis Phijkchu

Archive navigation

games

Jump to date

Choose a color