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If I hadn't taken college english, I would've gotten my credits through either taking basic english 3 and 4, or AP english junior and senior year

to take college courses

gn fam

That's just not right lol

I chose to go to it

I could've stayed at my school to take highschool levels but I wanted college credits lol

I think you're missing my point

if a schoo ldoesn't have a rigorous enough cirriculum

there's something wrong

if people are pursuing higher education in 10th grade

How my university hangled transfer credits, at least witht he one couse I knew of, was the earth and space science course got you a 1st year astro credit at the university of waterloo, but you had to take an extra (optional) exam that was harder

yeah

That's not really what it is though, it's more that we're just given the option to go higher if we wanted

I can agree with that spooky

Most students just take english 3 and four at the highschool

Some students take dual enrollment ENC1101/ENC1102, or AP english lang and AP english 3 and 4

tbh I thought highschool was a joke even with like 5 AP classes

I slept through my senior year

Their more rigorous curriculum is that you have the option of taking AP or college classes

HS should be a joke you do not get to nontrivial topics until like year 4 of university at the earliest

and still got all 4s and 5s

^

(one 2 on AP english but we don't talk about that)

Lol

Thats okay bopit

I failed my musical composition class

What

only class I failed in HS

how ):

I took it as an elective

I love my music classes

damn this idiot doesnt even know his scales

I mean I still probably got an A in the class

lamp

just did shit on the AP test

I have a problem with most HS curriculums, not jsut your Lamp yours is very obviously out of whack

the class was basically -know how to play guitar/piano or you fail

but the problem is everywhere

That's unfortunate

I guess the problem I have is that your arguments just seem flawed lol

at minimum a path for retards and one for people who can actually do the material

Yeah that's pretty much how it is

it's not though

And the "class for people that can do the material" is AP or dual enrollment

if you're taking COLLEGE courses

It is though

They're basic level college courses

did you really learn that much in english one your freshman level year of college?

To be fair spooky, 1st year college is basically grade 12 review usually for most classes

at least the ones I took

AP

is a joke though

I'm sure you've talked to your professors Pika, and they bemoan having to teach lower level stuff people should have already seen

also you learn 0 things in first year of college

I have not

except maybe Calc II

I never go to office hours so I do not talk with profs much

also you learn 0 things in first year of college"""

despite them serving a purpose, I feel their resentment for recieveing unprepared students

also they usually force 1st year classes on grad students

This exactly lol

which is what the lower tracks in high school pump out

I'm sorry that lots of students are fucking dumb?

and you need to do the higher tracks to get accepted

at least at UW

you cannot take the non high level versions of each course

There has been a quality drop though

for sure

I feel like your problem should more be the schools who's students are stuck in taking basic ass english classes when they could be participating in college ones

Main thing most profs complain about is the lack of circle/elliptical geometry new students know

god i'm so bad at circles and ellipses lol

I relearn them every time I tutor someone in them

and then promptly forget them

Because really, it's not that the school is too low of a level for the school to teach the kids, it's more that the kids are at a higher level than most, so they compensate by providing opportunities like dual enrollment and stuff to atleast get them a bonus for being smart and working hard or whatever- dual enrollment isn't the standard, there's only like 4? kids in my class graduating with an AA

I do agree with spooky though. If it is considered a college class, then HS should just teach more and college should start at an even higher level

This all ties back into a problem High school diplomas are fucking worthless, and schools don't have enough state curriculum to provide more than two years of valid coursework we've lowered standards for the last 15 years, starting with no child left behind if we don't have a purpose to high school, don't send people to high school if we're admitting that at grade 10, they might as well just start college, that means colleges have also slipped why do we accept that "the first year of college is worthless anyway" or in your case first 2 years

See lamp to your last point

that is a fault of your current system

that you have overachivers who are above average, because instead of them just being really smart, the average is just retarded

I think it is kinda silly that as a math major my college would want me to take two semesters of american history even though the normal student would have taken that exact same thing in 11th grade, so why should they retake it