Message in #politics · Neon Genesis Phijkchu

Spooky Phijkchu Nov 12, 2025 10:54 AM politics

The results of that test are sus, and I'm calling it ragebait

legorhin Nov 12, 2025 10:54 AM politics

there is definitely a math education problem regardless of this exam's results

Spooky Phijkchu Nov 12, 2025 10:54 AM politics

Because the actual report is that people are more commonly starting in remedial math or pre-calc in college

Spooky Phijkchu Nov 12, 2025 10:55 AM politics

By a few % points

Spooky Phijkchu Nov 12, 2025 10:55 AM politics

Versus pre-2020

legorhin Nov 12, 2025 10:55 AM politics

remove all the insane redundancy and you can probably get the gifted kids calculus ready by 6th grade

TinyBomby Nov 12, 2025 10:55 AM politics

what

Spooky Phijkchu Nov 12, 2025 10:55 AM politics

Easily

legorhin Nov 12, 2025 10:56 AM politics

3rd grade if they don't learn anything else

TinyBomby Nov 12, 2025 10:56 AM politics

no way I could've done calc in 6th, and I did the fastest math path available to me, which was algebra in 7th.

legorhin Nov 12, 2025 10:56 AM politics

you still took like 4 years of arithmetic

TinyBomby Nov 12, 2025 10:56 AM politics

I agree that there's a lot of elementary redundancy, but I don't think you could reach calc that early.

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:57 AM politics

i took algerbra 1 and geometry in 8th grade and i could of done it in 6th

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:57 AM politics

easily

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:57 AM politics

at the same time in the same year

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:57 AM politics

and passed perfectly

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:57 AM politics

i am 100% certain if gifted math was faster

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:57 AM politics

i could of done calc at least in middle school

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:57 AM politics

we just teach way too fucking slow

TinyBomby Nov 12, 2025 10:58 AM politics

That's also only for the top gifted students. Even with how slow we go, most normal students aren't even able to do algebra in middle school.

Spooky Phijkchu Nov 12, 2025 10:58 AM politics

A lot of people build up calc to be more than it is too

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:59 AM politics

top gifted students my ass

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:59 AM politics

there were some retards in gifted math

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:59 AM politics

that still passed

Spooky Phijkchu Nov 12, 2025 10:59 AM politics

I feel like by geometry in 7th/8th grade a lot of people are stumbling into it anyway

TinyBomby Nov 12, 2025 10:59 AM politics

I just think algebra requires a lot of abstract thinking that's not necessarily easy for kids to understand.

Spooky Phijkchu Nov 12, 2025 10:59 AM politics

And just don't label it as calc

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:59 AM politics

because theyre not taught it at a young age

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:59 AM politics

thats the issue

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:59 AM politics

the more you learn at a young age, the better set you are for life

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:59 AM politics

we fucking spoon feed children retard shit

TinyBomby Nov 12, 2025 10:59 AM politics

kids literally cannot understand abtract thinking as easily

taxes Nov 12, 2025 10:59 AM politics

so they come out like half as strong as they could be

TinyBomby Nov 12, 2025 11:00 AM politics

you can't just teach kids complex things earlier and say, well, we taught it, so they'll learn it

Spooky Phijkchu Nov 12, 2025 11:00 AM politics

I think introducing differentiation and integration as psuedo-operands before proving them with limits and formal logic, builds a stronger foundation as well

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:00 AM politics

no but you can ease them into it

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:00 AM politics

im not saying start them on algebra the same way

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:00 AM politics

but we fucking dilly dally

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:00 AM politics

for way too many years

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:00 AM politics

if you tell a kid the square stands for something that could be anything

TinyBomby Nov 12, 2025 11:00 AM politics

differentiation and integration are also closely tied to physics, so it's a lot easer to understand those concepts once you've taken physics

legorhin Nov 12, 2025 11:01 AM politics

introduce velocity as a derivative in physics to ground it

legorhin Nov 12, 2025 11:01 AM politics

or acceleration

legorhin Nov 12, 2025 11:01 AM politics

don't teach mathematics as abstract rules, teach it in the context of why it was derived

TinyBomby Nov 12, 2025 11:02 AM politics

We're already teaching physics extremely late into education, so I'm fine with moving that up, but it's still difficult to just shift EVERYTHING forward a few years.

Rusp Nov 12, 2025 11:02 AM politics

I didn't take physics until senior year I'm pretty sure lol

TinyBomby Nov 12, 2025 11:02 AM politics

In my area, most students take physics junior year

legorhin Nov 12, 2025 11:03 AM politics

me neither, but I skipped to AP physics

legorhin Nov 12, 2025 11:03 AM politics

but not calculus based so it was useless

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:03 AM politics

i think

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:04 AM politics

statistics should be mandatory too

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:04 AM politics

:)

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:04 AM politics

i actually feel like i learned more from statistics

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:04 AM politics

than any math class i ever took

Rusp Nov 12, 2025 11:04 AM politics

Statistics was retard math at my school

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:04 AM politics

nigga what

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:04 AM politics

ap stat requires you to actually write down and explain a shit ton

TinyBomby Nov 12, 2025 11:04 AM politics

I completely agree actually, I didn't learn stats until college, and only barely at that, but stats is incredibly useful.

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:04 AM politics

what retard is writing paragraphs extrapolating meaning from numbers

Rusp Nov 12, 2025 11:04 AM politics

Yeah it was retard math

Rusp Nov 12, 2025 11:04 AM politics

They gave it to the people not doing advanced classes

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:04 AM politics

so not AP stat

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:05 AM politics

just regular stat

Rusp Nov 12, 2025 11:05 AM politics

Yeah

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:05 AM politics

ok that makes sense

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:05 AM politics

i imagine regular stat has very low standards

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:05 AM politics

my AP stat final exam was like a 4 paragraph essay

Rusp Nov 12, 2025 11:05 AM politics

I took a stat course for college a few months ago

Rusp Nov 12, 2025 11:05 AM politics

So you know

Rusp Nov 12, 2025 11:05 AM politics

I got there in the end

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:06 AM politics

Replying to TinyBomby #tinybomby

I completely agree actually, I didn't learn stats until college, and only barely at that, but stats is incredibly useful.

I think it helps you be open to common retarded shit and actually "understand" some number uses in the real world

legorhin Nov 12, 2025 11:06 AM politics

I really enjoyed my grad level engineering stats course

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:06 AM politics

I genuinely believe it's actually one of the few classes that can help you in normal day to day life

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:06 AM politics

in some way or another

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:06 AM politics

even if its just understanding the world around you

Rusp Nov 12, 2025 11:06 AM politics

I took stats and did not have a mind opening experience I'm sorry

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:06 AM politics

even if it only helps a retard by telling them fallacies in statistics exist

taxes Nov 12, 2025 11:07 AM politics

thats still more than them knowing how to plot parbolas

Rusp Nov 12, 2025 11:07 AM politics

How else will I win bedwars

Spooky Phijkchu Nov 12, 2025 11:16 AM politics

Our HS stats class was also retard math

Spooky Phijkchu Nov 12, 2025 11:16 AM politics

But actual stats is SUPER useful

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