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It never becomes a new ship

I'd argue when over 50% of the ship is "new" then it is officially a new ship

Brother a rock has essence how does wood not

evidently, I was wrong when I said nobody debates this.

why does a rock have essence? are we shintoism now?

A rock is likely a wrap

not to further complicate things

fascinating

Rocks have essence like wood has essence

Yeah no, a rock being a wrap checks out

So a rock is a sandwhich

It can be, but that is a rare edgecase

hence why I said it is likely a wrap

pretty difficult for a rock formation to be reversible

Yeah but I think you can have a rock split in half and have something fill the split

then you could remove one of the split parts

If I have some seaweed on the beach though, is that seaweed covered in sand a sandwich?

Yea shale rock

to cover something implies adhering to it by some force

if under the sand, yes because of gravity, if it is above the sand, only if the sand is stuck to it through some means

Of the ocean is a sandwhich

You know, for the first time, you brought up a good point

the ocean is infact a sandwich

because you can remove as much water as you want, then reversibly re add it

you can theoretically pick up the water and put it back... it's reversible...

amazing

Finally some common sense

By definition, all fluids and gases are sandwiches

actually

I retract

assuming they are not pure, yes

the sun is a wrap, because if you take part of the sun off, it will collapse irrevesibly

Jupiter is just a giant sandwhich out in space

What is my can of soda

Jupiter is also a wrap for the same reason

this is an amazing development

your can of soda is a wrap

the soda itself is a pure ingredient because it is perfectly mixed

No I can take part of the sun and then put it back

You cannot do that instantaneously (violates physical laws)

you would destroy the sun in the process

What

ergo, wrap

and yeah, I think in terms of math terms, sandwiches are a measure zero subset

You could take half the sun away and it would be another sun that you could mush back into the other

And it reforms as the sun

That would be a different sun made of the same materials

it is functionally different, because you'd destroy all current cycles and trends in the suns behaviour by remixing it

You do that anyway with any sandwhich you break apart

The sauces don’t reform back to their original spot

You know, this sun thing brought me to a good variation on the ship of thesius

The lettuce or tomato is different

what if you rearrange every plank

they are the same total planks, no replacements from outside

but they are all oriented differently

is it a different ship

No it’s not

It's a new ship, I think?

But would about the essence of the wood spark

Do you mean just, like, turning all the planks around? Same originally place they were in, but opposite?

If I move all the Lego bricks around does my Lego set become a different Lego set?

no, like you take a plank at coordinate (x,y,z), and swap it with one at ((p,q,r)

of the same size

ok, but the total ship still looks identical

yes

suppose you can do this perfectly

every component has at least one pair

I'd say it's the same ship honestly.

Then nothing changes it’s the same ship

Just like a Lego set

eh

I do not honestly know how I ratify this

I'm actually very split on this

I think this is more interesting than the base ship of thesius and is far harder to come to a conclusion for

Actually, I'm not sure

How I made a conclusion in 2 seconds after reading your comment

You are retarded and excluded from this discussion

If I have a lego set and I make a house, that's a house. If I now take it apart and re-make it, I will obviously not be using the parts in the same location they were before. I want to say it's a new house/new ship.

What did I do