you sure?
anime
Tuesday, April 26, 2022
without spoiling
nvm
look
I know people care about MiA
I can't believe they leave the abyss
what the fuck spooky
if I spoiled Smartphone isekai, no one would care
but MiA
I'd get lynched
true good point rusp
ok but is phijkchu an isekai
given that you leave your human body and enter into some degenerate subform in a fucked up alternate world
idk
I briefly became Fire today
that was kind of an isekai
I think this summarises the issue I have with native isekai as a term
it seems to just apply to fantasy shows that are not isekais
when it would be more reasonable to call them fantasy, and maybe specify that they are not isekais
instead of saying native isekai
I like that chart
I think it's the same problem people have defining what is/isn't a Soulslike
Non fantasy isekai is steins;gate
he jumps world lines
Other than mainline Fromsoft games
fantasy isekai is literally any show you can think of
where is the line drawn
what spooky calls native isekai would be something like goblin slayer
Danmachi is the most obvious
I can't imagine watching that, and not have it feel like an isekai to you
Okay, but is that because it hits the spirit of the definition of an isekai, or because most isekai's hit the spirit of being a fantasy show
I think its the latter
not the former
when I said isekai there
that's why the term native isekai exists
Because it did not feel like an isekai to me
what show does it feel most similar to you then?
Give me a second to think about that
school rumble is not an isekai for the record
I am drawing a blank on non isekais to compare it to, however, thats because most of the fantasy shows I have watched are isekais
you can absolutely compare it to things like konosuba (more relaxed, comical world), but that is comparing the worlds
The closest non-isekai I'd compare it to is Magi
which is a pure adventure/fantasy show
Pokemon is probably the closest thing to it in a non isekai sense, and thats a reach
and barely close at all
but then the structure of Danmachi is wholly not an adventure show, it's structured like an isekai
its not though
and then has all the obvious tropes common to isekai shows
(that doesn't make it one on its own)
it has the obvious tropes like
-Has a character with knowledge from a different world
and
-Has powers/abilities stemming from the fact that he came from another world
other than the missing world change
hence
which are the two main isekai tropes
native isekai
I think that second point is mis-stated
it's not power/abilities from that other world, so much as it is perspective
I found an example of a comparable show
but you would also call that a native isekai
the reason Kazuma is so engaging in Konosuba
are you sure you guys aren't just thinking of things that have a "game-style" fantasy
is not because of some Earth power or his or Earth knowledge
That is what spooky is thinking of
that's what I mean when I say some isekai tropes Pirate
Kazuma is engaging because he is a straight man in the strange world a lot of the time
same with the harem
and how it's setup
because he is from outside the strange world
harems are not inherently isekai's though
things can share tropes without being the same thing
I don't think tropes make it an isekai
I think the nature of Bell's character in that world makes it one
but it's a native isekai, because to Pika's point, there's is no world change
But using the term isekai in reference to danmachi is misleading. If anything, I agree that danmachi is set up similarly to a lot of isekais with what tropes they share, I just think then instead a new term should be made for both the isekai shows you are comparing to it, and danmachi
instead of slapping a term with a defintion - isekai, onto danmachi
I think if you ditch the term "isekai" for a moment