anime

The movie Big is an isekai?

ignoring the parallel world part of what you said, reincarnating into the same world as an adult is one of those borderline isekai/no isekai concepts

its a weird edge case

see

Was clifford an isekai

I agree with Pika here

I agree that edge cases like that and SAO are messy

but by strict definition, danmachi, goblin slayer, other fantasy shows are no where near that line

I think it's borderline when it's the same world, with some expectation that it's not "new"

like in Big

that's the fence for me

I think a good edge case is made in abyss

Home Alone: Lost in New York is an isekai

same world (technically), but they can't go back (abyss sickness) and its funtionally a different world when in the abyss

MiA is a non-isekai, in my opinion

I mean, they are all fantasy

isekai is usually a subgenre of fantasy

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man

I can't say this

you sure?

without spoiling

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look

I know people care about MiA

I can't believe they leave the abyss

what the fuck spooky

if I spoiled Smartphone isekai, no one would care

but MiA

I'd get lynched

You’d be

Missing in Action

good one gent

ok but is phijkchu an isekai

given that you leave your human body and enter into some degenerate subform in a fucked up alternate world

idk

I briefly became Fire today

that was kind of an isekai

I think this summarises the issue I have with native isekai as a term

it seems to just apply to fantasy shows that are not isekais

when it would be more reasonable to call them fantasy, and maybe specify that they are not isekais

instead of saying native isekai

I like that chart

I think it's the same problem people have defining what is/isn't a Soulslike

can you put example shows in that chart

Non fantasy isekai is steins;gate

he jumps world lines

Other than mainline Fromsoft games

fantasy isekai is literally any show you can think of

where is the line drawn

Soulslike is games that control like ass

what spooky calls native isekai would be something like goblin slayer

Danmachi is the most obvious

I can't imagine watching that, and not have it feel like an isekai to you

Okay, but is that because it hits the spirit of the definition of an isekai, or because most isekai's hit the spirit of being a fantasy show

I think its the latter

not the former

when I said isekai there

that's why the term native isekai exists

Because it did not feel like an isekai to me

what show does it feel most similar to you then?

Give me a second to think about that

school rumble is not an isekai for the record

I am drawing a blank on non isekais to compare it to, however, thats because most of the fantasy shows I have watched are isekais

you can absolutely compare it to things like konosuba (more relaxed, comical world), but that is comparing the worlds

The closest non-isekai I'd compare it to is Magi

which is a pure adventure/fantasy show

Pokemon is probably the closest thing to it in a non isekai sense, and thats a reach

and barely close at all

but then the structure of Danmachi is wholly not an adventure show, it's structured like an isekai

its not though

and then has all the obvious tropes common to isekai shows

(that doesn't make it one on its own)