When half of what spooky said about the 15% applies to yourself, and yet you have a bachelors degree.
politics
Wednesday, November 12, 2025
Half of the spooky opinions don't seem grounded with anyone who does actual work in the education system.
Every class of 300 students, you're talking about throwing away 45 of them. For every school, to every class that graduates, would be an astronomical number of kids being "Thrown out." Literally, the population would be more stupid and worthless by throwing them out. I don't think I could name 45 kids from 3 years of high school that I believed should have been thrown out just for being "stupid."
Teach as in tutoring I assume
Thats kind of not a fair comparison, because the kids who are put into tutoring are more likely to be the bottom of the bellcurve
In my area the problem was the union and the teachers themselves who kept and pushed for classes to stay online and not at school. Even after Covid was ended and kids were supposed to go back to school in person the teachers and union made another push and almost protested to keep everything online. However the state, school district, and parents wanted their day care system back. It required the teachers to basically do zero work and get paid for nothing (which most of them still do). But even before Covid this was a trending problem that existed almost two decades prior.
I was in regular algebra 2 and there was one girl like that of constantly asking questions. Next year I moved to honors thinking I wouldn’t have to hear those people and the teacher having to re-teach material for a week longer because of it…still had the same problem in honors, but at least there were some intelligent kids who helped them out outside of class which is probably why they were able to pass. Plus the teacher also refused to re-teach material (as they should) and moved on, you either picked up the slack or were going to fail.
Replying to TinyBomby #tinybomby Those teachers deserve death
Sadly the district I know struggles for literally to get any teachers so those teachers keep their job and even after abusing disabled kids the union protects them and transfers them to another school if it is really bad.
Replying to (Not Spooky) Spark Dragon #sparkdragoon Every class of 300 students, you're talking about throwing away 45 of them. For every school, to every class that graduates, would be an astronomical number of kids being "Thrown out." Literally, the population would be more stupid and worthless by throwing them out. I don't think I could name 45 kids from 3 years of high school that I believed should have been thrown out just for being "stupid."
Is there at least 1, who would have been a net benefit to the other 300 to remove?
Replying to Spooky Phijkchu #spooky.131 Is there at least 1, who would have been a net benefit to the other 300 to remove?
Yes at least 1, I can think of at least 5 in one class and probably per class there may be 5 but 15% is ridiculous. Future classes after me probably would have a higher percentage but that is a fault not on the kids themselves
The thing of teachers not getting paid a lot is ridiculous and untrue
You’re talking half the amount of work days compared to any other job
Many teachers take that second job because they have the time and it’s extra income to keep up a lifestyle
Replying to (Not Spooky) Spark Dragon #sparkdragoon Yes at least 1, I can think of at least 5 in one class and probably per class there may be 5 but 15% is ridiculous. Future classes after me probably would have a higher percentage but that is a fault not on the kids themselves
great we agree, every school/district will be different
if you were lucky enough to be somewhere where only 5-10% were detriments then that says a lot about the quality of families/educators there
I definitely don't want quotas where we arbitrarily cut the bottom/top 15%
the students who are clearly gifted and the students who are clearly not suited to be there shouldn't be
the majority is in the middle
The 1 to 5 people I can think of are people who actually got arrested at school or were expelled.
Replying to Spooky Phijkchu #spooky.131 great we agree, every school/district will be different if you were lucky enough to be somewhere where only 5-10% were detriments then that says a lot about the quality of families/educators there
The quality isn’t there for what I expected for a school, and the teachers are not either, (several over recent years being exposed as pedophiles), as like it was said, 4/5 are there for an easy paycheck and do no work. It really depended on the union and the administration to get good teachers.
It’s also a big problem when the teaching colleges and universities are pumping out more and more teachers who have zero ability to handle a classroom and or desire to teach. On top of teaching them wacky teaching strategies that no kid can understand.
Several teachers in the one district when the first day of school starts they “pick out,” one student to basically bully and shit on for the entire year. That kid obviously becomes one of the bottom 15%.
It’s well known they do it but the union protects them and every time the kid acts out for being bullied only furthers the teacher’s view of them being a bottom 15%
Replying to TinyBomby #tinybomby I absolutely believe that we need better teachers above better curriculum or whatnot from the government. Better teachers can make do with anything they're given.
Idk how youd incentivize this without shoveling money at them for years and wait for it to get better so I doubt.
There was a substitute who literally slammed an elementary student’s face into a desk and knocked out teeth, who got paid leave and kept their job. The student just stood on top of their desk and told the sub no about something.
Replying to (Not Spooky) Spark Dragon #sparkdragoon There was a substitute who literally slammed an elementary student’s face into a desk and knocked out teeth, who got paid leave and kept their job. The student just stood on top of their desk and told the sub no about something.
literal death. Public execution.
That student gets singled out because of the teacher first singling them out. It’s circular and repeated
The sub was the son or related to someone on the school board so it was known when the first news article about it was published that they were going to be fine. Plus the news takes bribes from the school district to keep events like that hush hush.
I can think of 3 - 4 choir / band / orchestra teachers in the past 10 years who have been let go for something similar in my area
Then another dozen in the various other departments
Says unpaid leave but the district notes said he got paid leave before the story broke in the news
Replying to (Not Spooky) Spark Dragon #sparkdragoon
Are you also from the Toledo area?
My mom works at a TPS school so she tells me all the dirt lol
I live like probably 10-15 minutes west of downtown Toledo via express way.
Your like country area
At least that area is somewhat decent
I think when I posted a picture of a sign in Ann Arbor here a few other people were local too just in Michigan.
To say my point to spooky, if these students become delinquents we really say they get the axe? I think 90% of your bottom tier people come from situations like these.
They are not delinquent or too stupid but a product of a school system that at one point abused them, on top of whatever life situation they have going on.
I care a lot about education, and I mean this with no hyperbole
I don't care about the sad backstory of why they can't function in a standard public school
special needs is the obvious one, they need their own system and resources, and trying to integrate them is a waste of everyone's time. They are not going to be "literally killed" but they don't belong in real school. There are planty of high-funcitoners who do just fine, this is not a one-drop policy or anything
The "dumb" kids are almost always in the middle block, and will reach a performant level if they are supported in school and at home. There would not be quotas, relegation, or any sort of danger of failing out of the system. (held back sure, but not washing out)
It's the population of kids who are unable to participate in the education process, being "disruptive" is a bad catch-all term, but if you are impeding the ability of the teacher to teach or of other students to learn, then you should be removed. And it's not a one strike policy or anything, you'd expect that with help from different teachers, school councilors, your parents, resource officers, etc. you should be able to participate in school just fine.
But at a certain point, yeah they should just be cut. tons of different ways to handle it at that point, but yes I would effectively write them off, and I'm ok with that. Education matters so fucking much, and I resent to completely that we stymie people who want or are able to learn to virtue signal that no child is being left behind
and yes, teacher unions are a shitshow
the quality of available curriculums has been nosediving
there are tons of developmental setbacks (covid or otherwise) that are stunting people
and dozens of other critical problems
but I think a huge part of the problem is that our systems are so accommodating, rather than sticking to their own set of standards/expecations
The sad backstory of someone who cannot function in school is half the problem when people say, “I don’t care,” which is perpetuating the behavior and then they fail. My mom so far in her career singlehanded helped 100+ “delinquents,” who were teenagers still in school not set to graduate to 20-30+ years old get their diploma. Those 100+ people all have some sad backstory and it took one person in the school system to listen but then also enforced a standard. Probably just as many didn’t get their diploma when she worked with them because if they didn’t show to do the work she didn’t help them.
With your high standard and importance on education why is it that it takes one person for one school to take extra time and then these people graduate. It’s the failure of teachers constantly in a students life cycle through the system. Then when the teacher fails it takes the administration 10x more work to try and come to a resolution where the teacher isn’t going to listen and can’t be held to a standard themselves.
The actual disruption and cases where there is genuine evil from a student should be cut but those cases are ones that already get handled, but state and federal law force some school to take them until a certain point as every kid has the Right to an education.
The system being accommodating is something that is enforced from federal law. And school districts want it for the federal funding.
