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and by that i mean lightning stuck it

struck

thats an omen

Happy New Year NYC

I would ask why that person did that but the answer is mental illness

uh, likely not mentally ill they caught the guy already, he's just some immigrant who wanted to hurt someone

idk if you "just want to hurt someone" if you aren't mentally ill

normal, sane people don't just randomly push others into death

that's doing a lot of heavy lifting for the term "mentally ill"

I think a majority of people can easily carry out acts of violence, but just choose not to his reason was probably something simple, and he's from a low-trust society where you just act on your impulses because there's nothing more to life than that

mentally ill to me, would be a homeless schitzobabbler who has no idea where he is or who he is, so mentally gone that he's not even really human

here's the guy

23 allegedly

I think you are severely overestimating how much mental illness it takes to make people do bad shit spooky

ok, someone educate me when you use the term "mental illness" what do you mean

because I think calling anyone who does something bad "mentally ill" is kind of scapegoating

there's a range

to it

where even a little bit

warps the way you think

and then there's like the middling bit where people do bad shit for illogical or no reason at all

and then there's the far end which is what you were describing

most people tend to reside in the middling bit

the far end is the only place where to me, it's acceptable to say mental illness caused it

right

take Luigi, the CEO killer

was he mentally ill?

I don't know

I think caving to any impulse that would lead you to end the life of another person could be called mental illness

but that's just what I think

then the term has no meaning

probably yeah

Mental illness? Dude, he's a NIGGER.

this is not a "oh Spooky's trying to be edgy"

but I really think most murder is not some blameless thing, where you can say muh mentals and be excused for it

it's not

there's an inherent human perversion

where we just like seeing bad things happen to people

it's just a thing that happens

most people ignore it some people listen to it

see that, I agree with 100%

shit just kinda happens

I do think when people are "mentally unstable", which essentially translates to "sad" or "on drugs" they're more prone to acting with lower societal inhibitions

yeah

but I think in the majority of cases, people do things they want to do

and don't construct elaborate justifications

also, DARE be damned, drugs aren't some magical thing that make you a different person

nor does being the big sad

you are who you are

yeah which is why I always say I'm not a good person

but nobody ever listens to me

mentally ill is not the extreme end of things that you seem to define it as

Its a pretty big range, its not all just insane or dementia patients

Anyone whose not ill or is just on the lower end of mental illness would not just take action to end someones life for some random whim

here, I'll restate what I think to be clear: I think if you look at someone who does something bad, and conclude they're "mentally ill", at some level it's absolving them of some amount of responsibility If it's not possible to do something bad, without being "mentally ill" then I think the term is basically meaningless, because the term necessarilly then includes everyone

I think only the most EXTREME cases of mental illness, the point where someone is basically inhuman, does it makes sense to call attention to them bieng mentally ill

I didnt say its not possible

just that doing it "just cuz" is what signals it

but then we as a society are just arbitrary deciding whether their reason/justification was good enough

The problem is that their was no reason other than "just cuz"

people can do malicious action via circumstance and not be mentally ill. a more extreme example could be a guy taking revenge against someone who killed someone they knew/loved. thats not ilness that's a valid motivation driven by anger/grief

but do you see what I mean, if you (or society) validate their reason, then it's not mentally ill

he did it because hes black

case closed!

spooky, Mental illness is a definition created by people because for the most part most people do not behave in specific ways

unless something is wrong with them

wrong also being a societal definition

if you want you could say No action is bad or evil because "bad and evil" are constructed ideas

but society would not work if nobody adhered to these constructs

scientifically though people do have imbalances that cause them to act in different ways, that you can't say isnt mental illness cuz you dont think it is

I'm not trying to argue, because I think I'm just reiterating my last point but if bad == mentally ill, then yes the terms are meaningless

i didnt say that

spooky would you push someone in front of a train if you had the opportunity

most people would not do that because why would you do that

Spooky is right, some people have zero impulse control and zero forethought and do terrible things. That is not mental illness it’s poor decision making and thinking skills. Half these people are brain rotted and do not care about anything other than themselves.

None of them can think; “would I want someone to do this to me/my family/loved ones?”

I think mentally deficient is a better term. Ill implies some sort of sickness, whereas some people are just wired to not be cspable of higher level consideration needed to conclude acting on every impulse is not worth it