games

Valorant was not a success

The first year id say it was

Now id say its not

It has OW levels of visual clutter in a tactical shooter

oh

TFT

also coppied

but that did good

Oh yea TFT was Dota Underlords

Or what was it

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Kinda crazy to me that Valve let that go, I wonder what the Chinese guy was demanding

they've never even added a successful alt-gamemode to League

They kinda have recently imo

Twisted Treeline (3v3) and Bastion were the the longest lived, that are both dead

what was it?

Augment Arena/ARAM

Roguelike styled buffs

aram is super popular

So if youre a Pos 1 carry you can random into 60% attack speed augment

i see people talk about it all the time

Yea theres a huge base for it, I think possibly larger than the regular game/pubs

its definitely bigger rn

than the normal game

for sure

i see people talk ab it constantly

I mean, LoL is just so much worse to play due to the community imo. I dont blame people for just playing aram

almost like

dota is a better game

oh, that's why people were talking about aram again

makes sense

Im surpised LoL has never stolen Ability Draft

Ive never played AB, but I know its got a dedicated playerbase kinda akin to aram

I like surrendering, I hate the icefrog has a stick up his ass about it 20+ years later

people give up too easily

is the issue

also in league you like

can't comeback at all

Yea like max said, the amount of games ive lost just because low morale is pretty high

easily

one fight can turn the game around in dota

in league that's just not true

In LoL its way easier to just lose in draft without items to counter play stuff

we've argued this before, LoL NEEDS it, but I don't think dota and deadlock are above needing it to a lesser degree

dota has way more items that actually do something too

my solution is I just leave anyway

so idrc

Does Dota have a single MU thats like 90-10 unplayable?

LoL has that with a certain matchup, not even tied to lane

you can usually find a place to put everyone that gives you a chance

Malphite v Sylus is a lane agnostic 10-90 MU afaik, I dont think ive ever experienced that in Dota

idk what jungle is like rn, but before that used to at least be an option, hide your hardcountered hero in a trilane and rotate one of your supports to suicide lane

>trilane

Bring them back

I posted that to mainly shit on Riot, I know they canceled their Hearthstone clone aswell in an attempt to make a new MTG (which will also fail)

so

theres not any 1v1 MUs that ruin the game

but theres some heroes that if you just

dont have a counter to

can be basically insta lost

like

if you dont have anyone that can deal with a good necro

its probably GG

Oh yea, i know stuff like PL can just run the lobby if you have 0 answer

same with PL yea

its usually heroes that you cant deal with with a singular item

bristle can be like that too sometimes

or sometimes combos

like

in some comps

if ur playing against mars snapfire

its just gg

you cant do anything

Yea if youre chinese its Bane and Mirana

u have to full avoid

Ig thats kinda similar

teamfights

and play super gross

but like theres stillt hat doesnt really have a counter