anime

I was gonna say

no not 0 3rd

Smartphone being excluded, but ZnT being included

no Cautious hero?

also makes no sense

Slime is that popular?

that one might have missed the cut on sales Polu

not it's isekai-ness

also fuck you spooky

danmachi and goblin slayer are not isekais

I hate you

they, along with SAO

all are

They are native isekais

(nor is sao but thats less egregious)

its a fantasy show

is the lord of the rings an isekai spooky

SAO is the most isekai

of the three

other two are native isekais

SAO is the closest to being the definition of an iseaki

the other two just are not

Lord of the Rings is an isekai because he got introduced to a new world of adventure

Goblin Slayer less than Danmachi

but Gob is also a fucking masterpiece

kaguya is an isekai because sometimes they go somewhere new

and tbh, you could make a case that Death March isn't an isekai

in the same way that Goblin Slayer is/isn't

86 is an isekai because they go to a different country

which is why the nature of the world can't determine whether it's an isekai

is NGNL an isekai Pika?

they literally get sent to a different world

yes

is it a different world?

ngnl zero is not an isekai though

is NGNL:Zero an isekai?

it is a fantasy story

Tet goes to a new world at the end

Can you write a plot point for NGNL, that makes it not an isekai

you'd have to change the premise

and the characterization of shiro and sora

does the knowledge of the world change matter?

consider Grimgar

where they just... wake up in a new world, confused and dazed

Yes, shiro and sora being from a different world with different knowledge matters a lot to the plot progression

in NGNL, they don't have the chess game wit hTet, and he just abducts them instead in their sleep

what then

I can give you an iskeai where it literally does not matter that I have actually seen

wise mans grandchild

the fact that he is isekai'd never came up other than the first episode in the anime

ok sure, that works

that could have just not been an isekai

But for isekais where the fact that the characters have specific knowledge/things from a different world, you cannot easily divorce them from being an isekai

how is SAO different then?

you could make shows like goblin slayer and danmachi an isekai, but they are not

in SAO, they never technically leave their world. I am willing to conceed it is an isekai in everything except the strictest definition

it is fully one in spirit

if anything, SAO and shows like it are what you should refer to as native isekai

so NGNL, if there's a future plot point where Disboard is actually in the real world it suddenly becomes "not an isekai"

that's my point

is that the plot of NGNL

I think the idea of the characters being "transported" to a new world is important too. To be honest, I would accept an arguement for a show where someone from say, Canada, randomly wakes up in Australia as an isekai

if an isekai relies on the premise of a "world transfer", that's fine but I don't think it can revolve around the fictional world's "existance" or not

and then I also think the transfer can be non-explicit, like Grimgar

Is time displacement an isekai then?

Parallel Paradise

If so how much time needs to be displaced?

I am also willing to accept an arguement that a time travel story is an isekai if the world is different enough

is a coma an isekai?

If a character wakes up a year later but doesn't know anyone around him, is that an isekai?

Honestly, Idk what the fuck parallel paradise actually is. If its "his mind is transported to a different world while his body stays in this coma" then yes

if its all a dream

then no, but it is in the same sense SAO might as well be

Grimgar was good kinda

It needed a second season they didnt really do anything from what i remember

Honestly, world end harem is a good example of this type of show for the sake of arguement

So that's my point, if we determine the bounds of what the characters relation needs to be to the new "world", for it to be an isekai

we can divorce an isekai from the need to explicitly change worlds

I think the character has to go somewhere, be it literally or metaphysically at a minimum