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i had to write my final for college history on what caused the civil war

didnt the platforms of the parties switch in the 1960s?

I don't even care if it's technically true

no

im pretty sure they idd

the states changed who they were voting for because the blacks got to vote for once

It's more complicated than a "party swap" but they changed in a sense

there were no policy flips

it's not a one word answer, is my point, it's a super nuanced answer, which is why the history meme is it's "slavery" for 3rd graders

i think spooky meant 1861

whoops

yeah

policy flipping doesn't even make sense if you think about it for more than 3 seconds

my history professor spent like 2 hours ranting about how people saying slavery was the cause of the civil war

there was 1 instance of flipping parties that I have heard of and that was the guy legitimately changing his mind

now i didnt say that slavery was the only cause for the civil war, but it was a pretty significant part of it

Tackling the issue of whether it should be allowed for a state to secede from the union is really complicated

Frankly, more complicated than I'm able to handle

Conour, I'm not being pedantic, but I think that's missing the point

slavery was a huge fucking deal

and is to this day

yes, it was

where am i wrong in that statement

?

that doenst say that its the only reason bro lol

the entire statement

abe lincoln released the slaves as a war move to win the war, not because he wanted to

thats all i didnt read anything anyone said

goodbye

we care about such a small subset of slavery and focus on it to no end, as if it is the greatest sin imaginable when it's just how the world worked for hundreds and hundreds of years

how does bio keep managing to make already shitty convos worse

lol, he wanted to send them all to liberia

I just don't understand the position people take on the civil war

other than a "fuck the South" position, that liberals seem to take

the same liberals who think there are 5 inhabitable cities in America

I get that one

if you're an elitist prick

so why did a war break out after secession? Thats what I care about more than the reason they left

because you can't let half of your country walk away

popular sovreignty is a meme

Lincoln SHOULD have waged war on us

Yes, that's the problem

i love how you always say us like you were there

Looking at it in the most bare bones sense, do you think it's okay if a section of your country believes their values aren't properly represented and wanted to self-govern?

I consider myself a Virginian, before an American

OK I couldn't remember who started the war itself. It was the South who attacked first at Sumter

Gent, I don't I believe in strong, large, devolved states I think federations work

No, I agree

fire what was i saying that was shitty

I think the US should be as big as possible, and devolve as much power as they can ddown to the state level

America probably wouldn't be the world power it is today if we allowed them to secede

Man

I almost missed the politics arguement

idk about state vs federal rights, but yeah I think stronger is better

the secessionists at least weren't utter retards like the ones in seattle

Ignoring all other details, the union would have to be the aggressor for this conflict

The Confederate States were an economically viable country, the same way Texas would be if they left today

should have gone the korea route of north and south north america

we're a strong nation when we're unified

I love the claims that Texas never officially gave up being a sovereign nation

all the retarded divisiveness which has been at the forefront of politics since 2014-ish

has done more damage to out national potential than any other event could have

Thank the Obama era political revolution for that

and modern politicians (Trump included) are so terrible at injecting the nuance needed to not play one side off the other

its the degradation of national values since near the 70s, 2014 is way too recent to blame.

if Obama wasn't a shill

and stayed true to his vision

we wouldn't be where we are today

if trump built his fucking wall then did nothing else

america woul dbe great again

but appaK

he is building his wall and apparently he did nothing else in regards to corona and the riots

The GOP is in a worse state now than they were in 2016, and that's laughable

do you think social media has had a play in the division?

I love Trump, because he stands opposed to a class of people I think should be executed that's the only reason I like the guy