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If you look at the history of many of these confederate monuments, they were approved of by the union because there is (or was) a sense of respect between them

i mean, i see your point of the fact that it is history, and i am a sucker for history, but i can understand the other side that the names are literally the names of enemies of the country, some of which were promoting slavery and such. I am totally okay with maybe having put somewhere that they used to be named their previous names, maybe like a section of the building with a little history shrine or something.

i agree that history shouldn't just be wiped out

And there's your problem connor

When you start going along with the thinking of "they supported things we consider nasty now so I can understand the other side" what american historical figures are safe?

Every president up until JFK (and even he had some strange opinions about hitler) would be considered a horrible bigot today

i guess so, but i guess that goes into the direction of "wElL iT wAs JuSt A dIffeRnT tImE", which as dumb as a statement it kinda is, there is some truth to it

The confederates back then had more in common with the union than either side has in common with modern america

hey a fellow libleft is finally here lol

He's been here

ive been here

im just usually silent

a fellow libleft is here at the same time that i’m on*!

lol

I’m just always gone, my bad lol

i mean, same tbh 😛

libtards

Half the time you'd be on their side

Your opinions flip every week

destroying cultural symbols such as statues is against the geneva convention

And let's just be blunt about it, many people in the confederacy, whether leading or following, were good and admirable people

also, when were these building even named? would you really consider it to be legacy/history if these were even named after the civil war and such? like in the early 1920s and such

yes conour

who cares about the geneva conventions

why is that a question

I think geneva convention stuff is a meme

If they were named today they should still be defended

it’s just more pointless government telling us what to do

If it's something not even built yet, just named, it should still be defended

but kowtowing to the whim of a mob is a dumb rationale for doing anything

How dare you insult democracy!

so many people don’t realize that the civil was was much more than slavery

So that's how you spell "kowtow" huh

it was mainly about slavery.

lol

apparently

Not even close

I was thinking cow-toe at first

Conour, honest question

what caused the American civil war of 1861

I'll concede it was mainly about slavery if you concede the Democrats were and always have been the party of slavery

The whole slavery narrative is extremely tiring

And fuck off mr "dems are the real racists"

i had to write my final for college history on what caused the civil war

didnt the platforms of the parties switch in the 1960s?

I don't even care if it's technically true

no

im pretty sure they idd

the states changed who they were voting for because the blacks got to vote for once

It's more complicated than a "party swap" but they changed in a sense

there were no policy flips

it's not a one word answer, is my point, it's a super nuanced answer, which is why the history meme is it's "slavery" for 3rd graders

i think spooky meant 1861

whoops

yeah

policy flipping doesn't even make sense if you think about it for more than 3 seconds

my history professor spent like 2 hours ranting about how people saying slavery was the cause of the civil war

there was 1 instance of flipping parties that I have heard of and that was the guy legitimately changing his mind

now i didnt say that slavery was the only cause for the civil war, but it was a pretty significant part of it

Tackling the issue of whether it should be allowed for a state to secede from the union is really complicated

Frankly, more complicated than I'm able to handle

Conour, I'm not being pedantic, but I think that's missing the point

slavery was a huge fucking deal

and is to this day

yes, it was

where am i wrong in that statement

?

that doenst say that its the only reason bro lol

the entire statement

abe lincoln released the slaves as a war move to win the war, not because he wanted to

thats all i didnt read anything anyone said

goodbye

we care about such a small subset of slavery and focus on it to no end, as if it is the greatest sin imaginable when it's just how the world worked for hundreds and hundreds of years

how does bio keep managing to make already shitty convos worse

lol, he wanted to send them all to liberia