toxic-normies

Speaking of Mobs, I wanted to go over how you could possibly make it better. I already went over limiting procs and balancing everything around "zombie strength", but I feel like there's other ways to make it fun. First off is what already existed in DvZ, and that's leveling your mobs, I feel like expanding on this and making it a lot more interesting could definitly make it more fun, more interesting types of mobs too, not focusing on "just doing damage" but more ones like venomburners or gobos, perhaps one that snuffs out torches or something dumb, something that flies and can swoop down, etc. Not being limited to minecraft allows mobs to be more interesting. As well as perhaps make bigger, boss like mobs like dragons possible. The problem with dragon was that it's so strong that giving it to a player would make it impossible to balance, I feel like it is possible to balance somehow, whether its making it a grounded dragon, giving it a death limit (10-20 dwarves) or something stupid like that. I would like to keep the "roleplay aspect in tact though. While I'm not super keen on Rob's way of thinking, keeping the "dwarves always loose" thing and other aspects like that in tact do help make it feel more worldy.

What if there's more ways for zombies to sneak up on players

I also thought about that

More ways for them to get inside

but I also think making the wall mean something more is a good idea too

the wall SHOULD feel flooded

In current DvZ the wall didnt feel that important

Somehow being able to limit how much, and who can get it, while also making it interesting.

I tend to prefer allowing free building and mining

Maybe there can be a ranged attack that turns blocks into sand

On that last point, I like your idea a lot. role-filling or at least more unique monsters

To discourage sky bases

Venomburners gent

oh

i see

I also think you should punish dwarves for being in the dark more

I hated the way Rob did that in MC though

Sanity meter Kappa

The black screen thing was gay

I don't like the blindness

Yeah, fuck blindness

but maybe monsters are buffed in the dark

That works

The only problem is, then on the bounderies, all of a sudden monsters could start doing 2X

Might be better to halve healing effectiveness or something

True

Or maybe potions don't work in the dark?

Thats too harsh

you wont be able to escape

Same problem though, then on the bounderies you just get fucked

gradual buff/debuff

Mana doesn't regen?

I think weakening your attacks, and debuffing you in general works

maybe no mana regen

Maybe

I also think, since its not minecraft, light can be used a lot better

for example, the shrine should emit a large amount of light

Maybe perhaps a loadout item you could take could be a personal latern

those oil pits suddenly become a lot more useful

Man, we are really just copying Ashen at this rate, aren't we

Oh no

I think we need shadow monsters too

kappa

Also theoretically

If you were to make new Heroes

what would you even make

The only other planned heroes i remember are pause, and DB

Guude technically because weather man

but that doesnt count

I think you make hero tiers, major and minor

oh man oc making time?

That could be intersting

One major hero per game

then some minor ones?

Major Heroes have their full kit, and unique shit minor one maybe have one or two defining items

oh so like the old dwarf relics

Then you can't have a bruce every game though

which i think normal DvZ has?

but fuck bruce

@Dolfin if there's a hero, will there always be a bruce? or can you have a roamramin or niso by themself

Also, are there any "support" monsters in DvZ?

Venomburner i guess

gobo kinda

none that directly buff monsters though

Ogre magi is the only one

no

Krungor gives all nearby mobs strength 2 until they die

but yes, bruce will be in every hero game

I think we should rebrand the game Dwarfs Vs Goblins

roaminisovin are randomized

That way, we can get all the antisemites to play

kek

Dwarves vs termites

dwarves are the jews

zombies are the nazis

slowly killing the last of them

Nah, nazis are too civil for that

That was a good theoretical talk

Yep