toxic-normies

I think even we could make that happen

lol

ya, I'm not sure what kind of artstyle would work

My first instinct was something like that terrible game Ashen But I think you need bigger/bulkier people

I was thinking muscley dwarves

like actual dwarves

only problem is height

Make it like Borderlands

It's not like cell shading is the hardest artstyle to pull off

True

Ah i know, my favorite style, dishonored

kappa

https://www.onlysp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Ashenfront.jpg

Man, I wish Ashen wasn't utter shit

for reference

Dwarfs should be equal to 2-3 zombies in strength. I think everything in the game should be based or referenced around how many zombies It's worth. A golem would be like ten zombies, so it should take 3-5 dwarves to take down a golem. Heroes should be around equal, maybe stronger to a golem. AIs should be, in my opinion, almost non existant. Rob fucked up by making them actually worth something. I think they should exist only to fill the horror of the surroundedness and the invasion. Having them also, break walls and try to climb in, but not "randomly" appear, I think them flooding out of the dark and mob spawn would be better, as well as them doing almost nothing and taking one hit to fall. While a normal player zombie would be bulkier, maybe having armor, but failing in comparison to a dwarf. Skeletons being brittle, weaker than zombies makes sense, other than that it just depends.

An average amount of skill, but I think "getting used to it" should be easy. We went over the juice with this, and I think a quick tutorial would be more than enough to teach you about the game. Building, like I said is a hard part to put into reference, not only due to its implitations, but how you should and how much you should be able to do. If possible keeping it like DvZ would be perfect. 45~ mins with a standard deviation of 10 minuites? That would mean 35 mins is one away, and 25 mins is very very hard to acomplish, while 55-1:05 is possible. The 25 mins is a bit low so boost it I guess maybe. Players is always a big problem with indie like games. If rob were to talk about it/promote it? Easy to get lots. I'd say 50-60 per game would be optimal, with maybe event like large maps having battle royale sized 100 players. I feel like this is the kind of game you can trickle content into to keep it alive, maybe even using a season pass to gate newer weapons in loadouts? Eh doesn't sound good. I feel like having a limit of 3-4 heroes a game is good. So maybe a rotation of 5 heroes at first sounds about right? As for weapons, I don't think at the start more than like three are needed. A basic one, a more "damage centric" one, and maybe something special, then slowly trickle more in. Same with items. Mobs, are different. I feel like putting in all the DvZ ones at the start other than autistic ones like "swammies" and maybe rats would be good.

Speaking of Mobs, I wanted to go over how you could possibly make it better. I already went over limiting procs and balancing everything around "zombie strength", but I feel like there's other ways to make it fun. First off is what already existed in DvZ, and that's leveling your mobs, I feel like expanding on this and making it a lot more interesting could definitly make it more fun, more interesting types of mobs too, not focusing on "just doing damage" but more ones like venomburners or gobos, perhaps one that snuffs out torches or something dumb, something that flies and can swoop down, etc. Not being limited to minecraft allows mobs to be more interesting. As well as perhaps make bigger, boss like mobs like dragons possible. The problem with dragon was that it's so strong that giving it to a player would make it impossible to balance, I feel like it is possible to balance somehow, whether its making it a grounded dragon, giving it a death limit (10-20 dwarves) or something stupid like that. I would like to keep the "roleplay aspect in tact though. While I'm not super keen on Rob's way of thinking, keeping the "dwarves always loose" thing and other aspects like that in tact do help make it feel more worldy.

What if there's more ways for zombies to sneak up on players

I also thought about that

More ways for them to get inside

but I also think making the wall mean something more is a good idea too

the wall SHOULD feel flooded

In current DvZ the wall didnt feel that important

Somehow being able to limit how much, and who can get it, while also making it interesting.

I tend to prefer allowing free building and mining

Maybe there can be a ranged attack that turns blocks into sand

On that last point, I like your idea a lot. role-filling or at least more unique monsters

To discourage sky bases

Venomburners gent

oh

i see

I also think you should punish dwarves for being in the dark more

I hated the way Rob did that in MC though

Sanity meter Kappa

The black screen thing was gay

I don't like the blindness

Yeah, fuck blindness

but maybe monsters are buffed in the dark

The only problem is, then on the bounderies, all of a sudden monsters could start doing 2X

Might be better to halve healing effectiveness or something

True

Or maybe potions don't work in the dark?

Thats too harsh

you wont be able to escape

Same problem though, then on the bounderies you just get fucked

gradual buff/debuff

Mana doesn't regen?

I think weakening your attacks, and debuffing you in general works

maybe no mana regen

Maybe

I also think, since its not minecraft, light can be used a lot better

for example, the shrine should emit a large amount of light

Maybe perhaps a loadout item you could take could be a personal latern

those oil pits suddenly become a lot more useful

Man, we are really just copying Ashen at this rate, aren't we

Oh no

I think we need shadow monsters too

kappa

Also theoretically

If you were to make new Heroes

what would you even make

The only other planned heroes i remember are pause, and DB

Guude technically because weather man

but that doesnt count

I think you make hero tiers, major and minor

oh man oc making time?

That could be intersting

One major hero per game

then some minor ones?

Major Heroes have their full kit, and unique shit minor one maybe have one or two defining items

oh so like the old dwarf relics

Then you can't have a bruce every game though

which i think normal DvZ has?

but fuck bruce

@Dolfin if there's a hero, will there always be a bruce? or can you have a roamramin or niso by themself

Also, are there any "support" monsters in DvZ?