toxic-normies

So

I like controllers for fighting games

and some RPGs

Dragon quest for example, i have to play with controller

thats how I've always played it

When it comes to precision, I prefer M+KB

I would never use a controller if I could

I feel like first person games kinda suck with controllers though

You're going to hate tales of vesperia then

the M+KB controls are

autism

eh, I actually bet they'er pretty run of the mill

Well, you have normal fighting, then "free run"

so if you ever want to actually move

you have to hold a button down

then if you go back to normal while still holding w

youll jump

The only thing I can't stand are games that are just keyboard, and just ignore the mouse

The Katamari remake did that

Same with Dark Souls I on PC

arrows to move camera?

So you have to use WASD to move, and then arrows or IJKL to do camera

guys i made a dvz meme

laugh at me for the screen record in the video now

yes i made it with Imove

I movie*

ha ha XDS

January 4?

Max, thank you for existing

yeah i made it on the 4th

huh

I'd go crazy if this was the technical level of knowledge in the cult

oh lol

To be fair

I would not be good with PCs at all if I didn't have to fix my shit 9/10ths of the time.

That's how we all learned though

So thank my childhood

how stylized would you make DvZ Max?

Elaborate

I guess a better way to phrase it

I do think DvZ would benefit from a nice distinct style

Is there a game with an art style out there you'd try to emulate

but it really depends

That's out there?

I'd have to think about it

I'm on the fence though about uh

If a cartoonish approach would be better

Idk

I feel like it would almost be an insult

but I feel like it would fit

ah so obra dinn style Kappa

perfecr

Dwarf Fortress art

I think even we could make that happen

lol

ya, I'm not sure what kind of artstyle would work

My first instinct was something like that terrible game Ashen But I think you need bigger/bulkier people

I was thinking muscley dwarves

like actual dwarves

only problem is height

Make it like Borderlands

It's not like cell shading is the hardest artstyle to pull off

True

Ah i know, my favorite style, dishonored

kappa

https://www.onlysp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Ashenfront.jpg

Man, I wish Ashen wasn't utter shit

for reference

Dwarfs should be equal to 2-3 zombies in strength. I think everything in the game should be based or referenced around how many zombies It's worth. A golem would be like ten zombies, so it should take 3-5 dwarves to take down a golem. Heroes should be around equal, maybe stronger to a golem. AIs should be, in my opinion, almost non existant. Rob fucked up by making them actually worth something. I think they should exist only to fill the horror of the surroundedness and the invasion. Having them also, break walls and try to climb in, but not "randomly" appear, I think them flooding out of the dark and mob spawn would be better, as well as them doing almost nothing and taking one hit to fall. While a normal player zombie would be bulkier, maybe having armor, but failing in comparison to a dwarf. Skeletons being brittle, weaker than zombies makes sense, other than that it just depends.

An average amount of skill, but I think "getting used to it" should be easy. We went over the juice with this, and I think a quick tutorial would be more than enough to teach you about the game. Building, like I said is a hard part to put into reference, not only due to its implitations, but how you should and how much you should be able to do. If possible keeping it like DvZ would be perfect. 45~ mins with a standard deviation of 10 minuites? That would mean 35 mins is one away, and 25 mins is very very hard to acomplish, while 55-1:05 is possible. The 25 mins is a bit low so boost it I guess maybe. Players is always a big problem with indie like games. If rob were to talk about it/promote it? Easy to get lots. I'd say 50-60 per game would be optimal, with maybe event like large maps having battle royale sized 100 players. I feel like this is the kind of game you can trickle content into to keep it alive, maybe even using a season pass to gate newer weapons in loadouts? Eh doesn't sound good. I feel like having a limit of 3-4 heroes a game is good. So maybe a rotation of 5 heroes at first sounds about right? As for weapons, I don't think at the start more than like three are needed. A basic one, a more "damage centric" one, and maybe something special, then slowly trickle more in. Same with items. Mobs, are different. I feel like putting in all the DvZ ones at the start other than autistic ones like "swammies" and maybe rats would be good.

Speaking of Mobs, I wanted to go over how you could possibly make it better. I already went over limiting procs and balancing everything around "zombie strength", but I feel like there's other ways to make it fun. First off is what already existed in DvZ, and that's leveling your mobs, I feel like expanding on this and making it a lot more interesting could definitly make it more fun, more interesting types of mobs too, not focusing on "just doing damage" but more ones like venomburners or gobos, perhaps one that snuffs out torches or something dumb, something that flies and can swoop down, etc. Not being limited to minecraft allows mobs to be more interesting. As well as perhaps make bigger, boss like mobs like dragons possible. The problem with dragon was that it's so strong that giving it to a player would make it impossible to balance, I feel like it is possible to balance somehow, whether its making it a grounded dragon, giving it a death limit (10-20 dwarves) or something stupid like that. I would like to keep the "roleplay aspect in tact though. While I'm not super keen on Rob's way of thinking, keeping the "dwarves always loose" thing and other aspects like that in tact do help make it feel more worldy.

What if there's more ways for zombies to sneak up on players

I also thought about that

More ways for them to get inside

but I also think making the wall mean something more is a good idea too

the wall SHOULD feel flooded

In current DvZ the wall didnt feel that important

Somehow being able to limit how much, and who can get it, while also making it interesting.