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While there are many different "terms" people use to describe rehashing and selling a game, like remake, remaster, port, enhanced port and etc. Smash most closely follows under an enhanced port. It does not keep the main game formula in tact, it is not a full remake of the game, its not a full porting of the game, but it's not a sequel because it does not innovate enough, it's not setting itself apart from its predecessor enough, too much of the main formula was reused. Something that maybe you could compare an enhanced port to is Fire Emblem 3, the first game was remade onto this sequel. You may even be able to call the first part, an "enhanced port" while reffering to the second (the new content) as a sequel. There are enhancments in smash ultimate, it tries to set itself apart, it does slightly innovate, but it doesn't do enough. In comparison to other games, in comparison to what a sequel should be, in comparison to other nintendo enhanced ports, it falls under that title. XD

yes it is just skyrim 2

Anyways, this mostly falls under semantics at the point I get to at the end.

also

no u

Yes, as I said

we define things differently

I simply disagree that it does not do enough

One of my main points is though, you have to compare it to other examples.

everybody wins, we realize this is a subjective point

definitely not a port

go home everyone

Compare it to an actual sequel, compare it to an actual enhanced port

Max, I should ask, does smash ultimate feel the same to play as 4 to you

Depends

the story sure is a different mode

definitely not, you dont see bayonetta everywhere now

gameplay wise?

that is my standard, it feels different to me. The characters, the mechanics, they are not the same

they are similar

but not the same

i mean by that standard a balance patch is an entirely new game

^

It doesn't feel that different to me.

you can and should distinguish games by version if a version fundamentally changes how the entire game feels

imo

things are different but also the same

Ultimate is a gray area without a clear set of arguments in either favor imo

its like coffee with milk, its the same as coffee but different

Melee and brawl feel much more different than 4/ultimate

brawl was developed with a casual market in mind as well as motion controls. it has a completely different situation to it

thats

motion controls?

not the point

shit could i be using the steering wheel in brawl?

I agree that melee feels much more different than brawl compared to 4/ultimate

I still think 4 and ultimate feel very different

Steering wheel meta

I'm using tilt controls

(mind you I have only played maybe 2/3rds of the characters and played 4 hours)

l o l

ive played 4 on the wii u about twie

and 4 on the 3ds for about 20 times

see, I played a ton of 4 on the wiiu

like, prob 100 hours

i've played enough of both games to say that it's not a port

why

so I notice the differences in ultimate more

Max, I basically 100%ed 4's trophy collection

It's still very reused

I need like 4 more

i've played alot of 4 as well, i'm leaning towards port

its a spectrum really

every franchise reuses assets and code max

Yes dialga

but do you think mario kart 8 deluxe is a port

every game is a port of pong

which is why neptunia is basically the same game

or a sequel

neptunia has fuck all to do with the gameplay lets be honest umbreon

trie

mario kart 8 deluxe is a port, it even has the same name. it's just the base game with all dlc included

Mario kart 8 and smash changed almost the exact same amount of things from a fundamental level

its a enhanced visual novel tbh

Strongly disagree

Smash maybe added MORE, but deluxe still changed

deluxe added 1 extra item slot

Scroll up

I listed changes

whoa whoa

Apparently it changed drifting and removed a mechanic

new characters, maps, firehoppping removed, handeling is changed, and drifting a bit

they added battle mode

i'm not reading that wall max

thats lit

battle mode