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MK8 deluxe is like this

so is super mario galaxy 2 a port of 1

that shitty poken game is like this

because they reused a fuck ton

umbreon

enhanced port

come on

i hit 2k characters

uhh

save the first part

omegaoof

yes yes

i know

one second

ok

you realize this is going to end in a no u

sure

okay

Skyrim is just an enhanced port of oblivion Kappa

that is unironically true Bethesda only makes the same game

new bethesda*

elder scrolls 6 is just skyrim 2

No, because the main part of the game is different. The difference here is that the main focus of the game is the story/maps. Those changed, including new powerups and etc. It's a new game, it has a new story (main focus) and new everything. Sure it reused assets and physics, but its a SEQUEL. Smash is different, it reuses, but it doesn't add enough at all to differentiate itself. With the main focus of smash being the fighting, tweaking some numbers does not make it a different game. It also gets blurry at this point though because Smash isn't a "linear" or very intuitive game. See, with nintendo making many of these "enhanced ports", you have to think about the ACTUAL PROCESS of how this is done, rather than what you think. They take the game, the old game from the old system, copy and paste it. Then, they change a few numbers here and there, and make some new content, then once that's done, ship it out. When you compare this to super mario galaxy 1/2 there's a very clear line. They might of reused some similar things, but they innovated, unless you call putting a fucking bar on a robot innovation to the same degree as super mario galaxy 2, then.... Anyways, there's a clear difference in the changes between these two games. Smash "added" to the fighting yes, but how is that any different than mario kart 8 removing a feature and adding some in? It's not. For a game to be a sequel, it needs to define itself as such, it needs to clearly show that it innovated- not even that, it needs to be new. Smash ultimate is a good game, but it DOES NOT, do that. It's the same game, with the same code, 58 reused characters with small tweaks in them, reused maps and """new maps""". Smash ultimate is not a sequel, it's an enhanced port. It may add tweaks, a miniature smash bar, a new mode and etc. but that's no different than mario kart 8 deluxe.

While there are many different "terms" people use to describe rehashing and selling a game, like remake, remaster, port, enhanced port and etc. Smash most closely follows under an enhanced port. It does not keep the main game formula in tact, it is not a full remake of the game, its not a full porting of the game, but it's not a sequel because it does not innovate enough, it's not setting itself apart from its predecessor enough, too much of the main formula was reused. Something that maybe you could compare an enhanced port to is Fire Emblem 3, the first game was remade onto this sequel. You may even be able to call the first part, an "enhanced port" while reffering to the second (the new content) as a sequel. There are enhancments in smash ultimate, it tries to set itself apart, it does slightly innovate, but it doesn't do enough. In comparison to other games, in comparison to what a sequel should be, in comparison to other nintendo enhanced ports, it falls under that title. XD

yes it is just skyrim 2

Anyways, this mostly falls under semantics at the point I get to at the end.

also

no u

Yes, as I said

we define things differently

I simply disagree that it does not do enough

One of my main points is though, you have to compare it to other examples.

everybody wins, we realize this is a subjective point

definitely not a port

go home everyone

Compare it to an actual sequel, compare it to an actual enhanced port

Max, I should ask, does smash ultimate feel the same to play as 4 to you

Depends

definitely not, you dont see bayonetta everywhere now

gameplay wise?

that is my standard, it feels different to me. The characters, the mechanics, they are not the same

they are similar

but not the same

i mean by that standard a balance patch is an entirely new game

^

It doesn't feel that different to me.

you can and should distinguish games by version if a version fundamentally changes how the entire game feels

imo

things are different but also the same

Ultimate is a gray area without a clear set of arguments in either favor imo

its like coffee with milk, its the same as coffee but different

Melee and brawl feel much more different than 4/ultimate

brawl was developed with a casual market in mind as well as motion controls. it has a completely different situation to it

thats

motion controls?

not the point

shit could i be using the steering wheel in brawl?

I agree that melee feels much more different than brawl compared to 4/ultimate

I still think 4 and ultimate feel very different

Steering wheel meta

I'm using tilt controls

(mind you I have only played maybe 2/3rds of the characters and played 4 hours)

l o l

ive played 4 on the wii u about twie

and 4 on the 3ds for about 20 times

see, I played a ton of 4 on the wiiu

like, prob 100 hours

i've played enough of both games to say that it's not a port

why

so I notice the differences in ultimate more

Max, I basically 100%ed 4's trophy collection

It's still very reused

I need like 4 more

i've played alot of 4 as well, i'm leaning towards port

its a spectrum really