autism

the healing scene is

i think so

I don't know if they show Avalon

hold on

ill find it

iF it shows avalon that's another thing

To be fair, I also feel like the effect is more prominent when you talk about the sources

I feel like you can make a case for the animes like we've been doing

but if this went to sources

>visual novels

100% you can't say zero first

ah nice i skipped right to nude gil

owo

I still don't acknowledge anything in Zero as being a spoiler

And I don't think you can change my mind on that one

I feel like that in general is retarded

becasue they spoil the plot

is the existence of an 8th servant not a spoiler?

The spoil the plot of....

what a grail war is?

that too

See that's just it

If the backstories of character are INTEGRAL to the plot

they dont show avalon

your argument is retarded, it's you saying that wathing Stay Night will be different after watching Zero

then something that spoils the information of them

whitch it will be

that's the whole point

its 100% a spoiler

what

If you watch Zero ---> Stay Night

versus just watching Stay Night

it's a different show, you absorb it differently

I don't think anyone would disagree

I think it's better served watching Zero first

but I don't discount that many of the things someone who watched/played Stay Night first

things that they liked

may not apply if you start with Zero

I feel like you're

I also feel like, Zero feels larger in scale, well it is, as I said, fights, and etc. You go from something smaller, and increase in scale and complexity

but if you go zero to sn, you move down almost in scale and complexity

to something much more simple

Stay Night feels bigger if you consider the 4th grail war as the lead-up to it

it's the unfinished busness of all these great houses, however many years prior

SN isn't even suppoused to happen though

technically

fighting it out

From the perspective of a consumer though?

You go from this large epic battle royale

to this small shitty events of this singular retard

The difference is, there's a lot more nuance to the 5th war

the 4th is very segmented, every side is separate

the 5th blurs the lines, and that's why the story is so good

in the 4th, the relation between the servants is far more amicable, than that between the Masters

which is flipped on its head in Stay Night

the locked perspective to shirou is a good point

It's almost like

The characters

are

the

important part of SN

of course

hence why

i

think'

they're spoilers

>:(

Speaking of stay night

I think you're not wrong, but it comes down to what you value from watching Stay Night

to derail this convo

good idea

theyre about to reveal something in abit for f/sn 15th anni

might be something good

or just trash

re-re-remaster?

UBW -> Zero -> UBW is the only way to watch to get back on track

god i hope

Switch Port?