Scarlet Violet Leak Thread

No they don’t

Yes they do?

It kills all of them with sun up

That’s not a counter

Roaring Moon is still good, but it has issues

Iron bundle is mid

Paradox mence is only of the strongest, crunch/eq/u-turn is incredibly hard to play around

I use outrage last move since it’s just a win button if there’s not more fairies but iron head is also good

From most of what I've seen so far, Roaring Moon needs setup, usually DD, to get into a spot where he can do good.

With Flutter Mane and Chien-Pao around

I just use choiced in sun

It can one shot both

Nothing has counters here

They can also one shot it.

No shit

Well, we'll see how the game evolves. People want tera to be banned but I think that's dumb as fuck.

There’s a good chance it will be

It's hard to play around right now because no one knows what people will do.

First bans are coming Monday, I don't think tera will be banned for a while at least.

With 18 options for all 6 pokemon you never really can

The other issue is that, this game is obviously built around Hyper Offense

and Smogon's format has always really resisted that.

Those freaking stall lovers!

Well it's not about that, I do think it's good for it to be balanced

Many bans in the past however, were based upon how it effected stall or slower styles of play, and it's harder to do that this time around.

I would like to see someone point out a ban that wasn’t justified

No, the issue isn’t the thing that was banned normally, it’s the way they do it

A lot of times they quickban something for the sake of tournaments when it should’ve had a proper suspect test

That happens a lot too

Or in the case of gen 8, they just waited too long in everything out of spite

Pheromosa, cinderace, and magearna should not have stuck around that long, and the meta was just shit for the longest time

It finally became kind of good within like the last year of its lifespan

Also, have you seen how good Orthworm is?

Game freak didn’t make it easy with their horrible dlc/pokemon home releases to ruin everything

Yeah

Loving it so far, was not expecting the goofy worm to be as good as it is.

Enjoy shed tail while it lasts too

I’ve had so many cyclizard vs cyclizard leads, but I always kill them because mine is scarfed

Sun seems to have way more usage than e-terrain

Well it doesn't help that the other terrains aren't as fleshed out.

Roaring Moon tera steel into DD is disgusting.

I wish Kingambit was better, it's so hard to use him.

No, he’s fine, it’s everything else that’s ruining his fun

Fair enough.

It's hard to have a good perspective on what's fine or not when half the meta is Hyper Offense right now.

Number one team on the ladder right now is a stall team.

Guess stall isn't that dead.

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