anime

I am trying to gauge your position here on how you can hold something against a show when it is not apart of the source

so, fullmetal alchemist for example, can we not conclude that by your metric, the original and brotherhood are the same quality, since we ignore the anime original parts of the original

when making judgements

I don't hold things against an adaptation if it is not part of what is being adapted

same quality maybe minus things like animation quality

and what not

as a story, they are completely equal

Like the parts of '03 that are adapted in a lot of places stand above brotherhood

Cause they got lazy and assumed you watched '03 so they truncated it

so the show as a whole then, is better than brotherhood

since we ignore the anime original parts of the original

when judging it

Taking just the adapted parts into consideration brotherhood is better overall because it's a complete adaptation

This isn't to say I didn't enjoy '03, but as an adaptation brotherhood is better in my eyes

okay, its a better adapatation

but that says nothing about its quality as a show

I don't care about the source at all

I think you can point to parts of a show, talk about what you like/don't like about them, and conclude if they are good, without even needing to know the source material

So excluding parts of the show from judgement arbitrarily because some other media did not include them

is silly

The only example I can give is index since I am reading the ln for that. I think a lot of the arcs in index 1 are bad adaptations

they completely change what happens

I also think that the changes are for the better

and the ln is worse in those parts

It's not arbitrary though, due to it being an adaptation of someone else's work

but it is also its own work

it is using a base story

but there is always changes

and you can judge the thing that is adapted without considering the original

at all

let me put it another way. Is it possible for something to be good, but be a poor adaptation

like, 10/10 show, but it barely even follows the source at all

Not really sure to be honest

I think inherently yes, since anything you do not read the source on that you like, could very well be that

without you knowing

its not like following a source rigidly is sufficient or necessary for a show being good

proven by anime original stories existing that are good without source material

like kill la kill

Was kill la kill not wholly anime original?

I am using it as an example to cite that an anime original story can be good

so if an anime original story can be good, and you can make something that is essentially disconected fanfiction from a source, I think it follows that the bad adaptation can be good

even if it is a horrible adaptation

I think there is a discussion to be had of "is one piece a good adaptation" and a discussion to be had of "is the one piece anime good", and those are completely different questions, except you seem to be equating the two

I see your point

When I watch more of the show I guess I'll have the answers to both questions for you

well, you'd have to also read the manga

to answer the first question

True

second question is source independent

infact, I'd say not knowing the source at all makes the second question easier to answer objectively

I'll answer the second question first then

but if you skip episodes based on what people call anime original filler, you can't really judge the anime as a whole

as being good

just parts of it

So far I'm inclined to answer yes it is good, but I haven't reached anything even remotely considered filler yet so I will come back to this when I've watched more

thats fair

I'm around 25 episodes out from filler where I am rn

K-on

Oh duh, I forgot

interspecies reviewers

K-ons source is horrible

I skimmed the manga, it was no where near as intense

One of my favorite animes though

Dude I am watching todays shield hero

Shield hero is an example of what we call a SHIT ANIME

adaptation quality aside

It got to the point where it's now a comedy for me

Because I laugh at how bad it is

it is laughably bad

I was hoping this arc would redeem the turtle but uh

I think I hate this just as much

And now it looped to being good again

Because I enjoy watching it

this part is better than the turtle arc because instead of it being 6 episodes of them fighting the fucking turtle

its insane and makes no sense

It's probably the funniest show this season

if the first half was not so boring