nintendo

See, Nintendo should have just doubled down and not ever let you unlock the ones you fail to beat the first time

It'd be rare to see someone with all 74 characters

I mean world of light still would've been a thing

Fuck it Vinny, kill them for real in WoL

But spooky, isn't Nintendo trying to screw their old faithful players in favour of the next generation of children that have access to their parents credit cards?

fire remember that you can refight people in games and more

don't fall off a second time

i know but it's so dumb

i'm getting punished for being new at the game feelsbadman

bad stages will punish you even if you aren't new

oof

but fair

enhanced

port

not a port

its 100% a nintendo enhanced pport

not a port

It's okay dialga, I know you're a bit salty, but no need to take it out on me :(

can i take it out on you max?

if you ask first

is this consent?

lewd

alright

h-hey

you disgust me

Having played ultimate

it is not a port

and any claim to the counter is wrong and retarded

basically all the characters have a different feel to them

its a

enhanced port

we've been over this

I disagreed then

and disagree more now

Just because a few values were tweaked and there's 15 new characters, maybe 20-30 """new maps"""", does not mean its a new game

A lot of the game has been ported over

And nintendo makes these a ot

Ultimate is an enhanced port

you take parts that work and change what does not

Most sequels have the main meat as something entirely new, or changed

no

smash, is not that different

that is just not true of any series that releases games semi regularly

Pika, I don't know what sequels you play, but if the entire game is the same assets, and everything ported over with a new mode

than you're getting ripped off

most games do not completely innovate between games.

You're right

but there's a large difference in the big meat, there's much more new content, new creations, a new game

They created 16 new characters, a few new maps, added a story mode.

Some stickers too

Tweaking major game mechanics in a fighting game is a substantial change

Is mario kart 8 deluxe a new game

No, and they did not change any of the mechanics in MK8D

that is actually a port

I agree with that

Mario kart 8 deluxe added a new mode though, new characters, new maps, changed some of the physics, made it prettier

wow, sounds like something else huh

Every character I played in smash ultimate felt different than smash 4

They did change mechanics in deluxe pika

how much

they added double items is all I know

Apparently they changed how drifting worked a bit, I've heard it handles a bit differently too, and fire hopping was removed

see, the problem with this argument is the thin line between sequels ports and 'enhanced ports'

Nintendo makes TONS of these

Ultimate falls under the same roof

Yes, I agree they do, and I disagree that ultimate is fundamentally the same game as smash 4

MK8D is fundamentally the same game as MK8 as far as I am aware

This entire thing comes down to the scale for which either of us require for something to be considered not the exact same as a previous game

I think ultimate hits that, you do not.

MK8D: New characters, new mode, mechanic changes, new assets, reused assets, SAME GAME, ported code Smash Ultimate: New characters, new mode, mechanic changes, new assets, reused assets, SAME GAME, ported code

Wow!

doesnt that make 4 a port of brawl though?

The big part of it for me, is the fact its reusing most of the same game from 4

I don't know enough about the brawl and 4 thing

by that standard, ultimate is just a super enhanced port of smash 64

Not at all

its not reusing the code, assets