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choice in what way to get fucked over the least Pog

Your ideology is toothless if you're not enforcing morality

It always backfires though Gent

Oh really

There's enforcing the wrong morality, or enforcing it in an asinine way

LGB acceptance rose, due to being ignored more than anything

But if you just decide to stand back and let be, what can you possibly stand FOR?

rather than some top-down push for equality

the number of swear words in a song, or the size of a cup at 7-11

shouldn't be "moral" issues

there's a better word for it

They are, even if they're bad ones

but when your idelogy seeks to force itself down the throats of your electorate

I wouldn't want vulgar songs broadcasted on children's tv channels

it will always end poorly

The market will shake that out though

you don't need federal protections

Oh I'm sure it never works out ever

Look at the entire history of civilization and proclaim that they were all fools for daring to enforce things

enforcing morality?

yes, throughout all of history

it's never not been foolish

It is the most inefficient way to get what you want

This isn't the natural state of man, spooky

Everyone doing what they want with impunity, even excluding murder and rape and the like, will just reduce civilization to tatters

You need to decide there are freedoms that will be restricted

That's a cop-out answer though

"everything is morality"

Explain

Trying my best to hold back on the cheap shots

If you define the protection of morals, as being broad enough to cover all interpersonal interactions then it's going to encompass everything

Maybe I'm using the term "moral" when I should be using something else

So your country discovers corn syrup, and corporations start selling cheap to the masses, then they start getting uglier and weaker and dumber, do you just stand by and let the market be

we all need to be on gents super diet

Yes, take everything to parody levels

Because you can never actually take things at face value

I am not apart of this conversation I was just making a j o k e

I find that whenever a government; at any point in history, seeks to restrict the freedoms it itself has enshrined, for fear of society being "too free" it doesn't achieve the desired results

not all societies have been free, that's fair

It's never perfect, but it certainly gets shit done

Yes pika, the eternal centrist

Have both sides stop being retards and I will stop being a centrist

Easy to play the critic because no ideology is without flaws

It's not a binary decision, pika

Sure its not, I chose that I will accept positions from either side that are good and reject ones that are bad while not associating with any side

because that is what resonable people do

I don't think it "get's shit done"

Not only do I think such actions aren't the job of the government, I don't think they work

So you're saying that banning guns physically would not restrict the flow of guns

Or drugs, or sodas, or anything

prohibition totally worked

I am sure a gun ban would too

^

Prohibition was on alcohol

and?

Which has been prevalent in the west for a millenium

"gun violence is down, time to celebrate" "other killings are on the rise"

Because they were retarded, and banned guns

But they reduced the number of guns

So it succeeded in doing that

The government could; by mandate, paint all the DC monuments purple, it won't get people to like purple more though

Idk spooky

but was the amount reduced more then the rise of others?

I'd like purple more then

but yes, there would be more purple buildings then

It won't, because that's retarded, spooky

because that'd be funny

What's your point here

Because a black market existing isn't enough reason to say that banning a product has no effect

My point is that moral governing is dumb, and I'm thankful we don't do it much

and I'm glad the left has to deal with that right now

Enforcing morality is the role of the government

the role of the government is to make roads

Because people would never donate to one

I think on the whole, we are not seeing our liberties restricted in meaningful ways

which imo is good

So they enforced the morality of building roads with tax money they take from us against our will

they enforce the morality of increasing our invasive military's strength

I don't even know what kind of system you want gent. What things should not be controlled by the government when it comes to interpersonal interaction