toxic-normies

But then Rob really kinda ruined everything

What character lol

i love that arguement

Major lee

Arguing Gwenyth isn’t a character is arguing literally every NPC isn’t a character

Sure she didn’t have a ton of screen time, but you could tell what her personality was, her morals, her relationships

She was a whorish bitch in sunswords, who dated others out of spite

Lance I couldn’t besides he was Bruce’s son

And so when the DD came, it said “Bruce would be the most aggressive grand Paladin to date”

And I was like oh shit that sounds murderery

Rob decided to make her seem like a better person by turning the other elves into scumbags that put children in labor camps

That’s the thing though, looking back, Gwenyth was a terrible pick, but Rob made her look like a good one

I get it, but she's a woman lmao

>woman being incharge of the biggest power in the show

lol

If you guys are gonna keep using that meme then I’m just not gonna debate it

🤷🏻‍♂️

. . > __

Lance was just objectivly more interesting throughout that campaign and the other one he was in

despite being in Dundinborough for legit 5 minutes

Well

In the other one he was in he literally showed up and killed some skeletons

shoulda been galen but

Galen was a gay trap

Technically it could’ve been Galen

If literally nobody voted

what else has gwynneth done up to that point

I think the implication is that galen was a bad pick, but virgo chose him cuz he's an evil sexist

let 5 people fight over her love, to the point where one went insane, sent an army after 4 gnomes and a kobold instead of just arresting them, and killed ageless

Gwenyth had nearly wiped the first characters made, escaped a collapsing mountain in a really cool cinematic sequence, and had her child stabbed

legit same as lance in terms of being aggressive

She outnumbered them

just lance didnt manipulate those around him

It was an even fight

Not much of an accomplishment

5v5

No, deadbones was in jail

the town of elves

Ah actually that’s true

That was later

That's true

Either way though, that’s still not really all that relevant

vs Gracias, Yumi, Philepe and K4

exactly

They were supposed to make some sort of sneaky plan

thanks for proving my point

The amount of people on each side isn’t relevant

Gwenyth wasn't anything back then, but a strong final boss

Whatever, I don’t care anymore

Sunswords was where she was a character

I don’t even disagree, it should’ve been Lance

I just think that Gwenyth had a good setup to become a good character, and now she isn’t

That's the thing, female character arcs always get ruined nowadays

>females are bad meme

Yikes

No loveland, you don't understnad

that isnt what he said

people try to hard to make them badass making their arcs horrible

I know what he said

There will always be an innate dissonance seeing women in combat

And I know that

Which leads people to screwing up completely

But that’s not the case for every one

9/10

And even if it is I don’t see that as a reason to not at least hope someone does it right

Ya boy zach said it best a while ago

The character arc for male characters is seeking to redeem themselves in some form, growing a past a flaw/perceived flaw. The character arc for women (nowadays) is that it's the world that's at fault, and everyone else has to improve for them

Yes

Look at lyn for example

WE TORTURED HER

I saw Gwenyths potential differently though

Such horrible things we did!

She WAS kind of a bitch

And there wasn’t really any reason for her to be a bitch

now shes even more

Let me finish

But throughout the course of the show, she learned to stop with the flings with random men, she lost her child and father in terrible tragedies

She was on track for a cool redemption arch

Well loveland, I tend to just dislike characters that are handed power in urealms

Phineas, Gwenyth, Bopen, they didn't earn shit